Ya, I really just don’t agree with you. I think there’s a tendency towards paranoia on this issue. There’s this fear. If I could paraphrase the sentiment I read out there sometimes, “These faggots need to be killed.” I mean that’s the sort of rhetoric that you read out there. Now, I don’t blame this on conservatives, or anyone really, just sayin’ that when you read that from someone, or see signs about homo’s being killed or whatever, I think it’s completely out of line and actually really sick and evil. To a lesser degree, I read someone say that they should be “shamed and shunned.” Again, I think the visceral cold-hearted nature of this type of language and emotion is simply unallowable. It’s a moral outrage to say this. I know most people aren’t like this. It’s a good thing we live in America where we are able to conduct ourselves as adults and make rational decisions about these things.
As far as specific policy issues, I believe that people have a right to feel how they want, as long as they are respectful humans, and the public will sort it out through the voting process. After that, we can all move on with our lives and stop fighting so much. The ruling class wants us to be fighting over insignificant issues so they can keep running to the bank to collect our savings. If we wanna keep living on this planet for a long time to come, then we better resolve our differences and move on with our lives.
Your reply does not address the facts — that the cases I mention have actually happened and are under pressure to become the ironclad law of the land, actually stigmatizing heterosexuals and their entirely natural reproduction and family formation backed by thousands of years of human experience. Gays can only reproduce artificially, and therefore are a fragile twig on the tree of the continuation of the species, medical research into congenital health or illnesses, social behavioral research, genealogy and psychology. Their desire to interrupt these processes in order to pretend to be like blood families and to purposefully deny children their natural heritage are facts, not paranoia.
The gay lobby’s insistence on lowering the age of sexual consent and pretending that sexes don’t exist so that grown men with penises can enter girl’s bathrooms or seduce girls and boys in classrooms, school buses and gyms, denying them a healthy, uncomplicated childhood in the protection of their parents are the actual facts of numerous state lawsuits and pressure tactics, not paranoia.
You say we should all vote on this and be done with it. The FACT is, we have voted on it over and over and over and over, and the will of the voters is continually challenged by lawyers and overturned by popinjay judges. If you think this issue so rapacious towards children will be settled by a vote, you have only to look at the past 40 years of fighting over Roe v. Wade, which allowed the murder of children in their mother’s wombs, with their fathers shut out of the decision. That fight has not gone away, and this fight will not go away, either; because gay activists are not content to compromise, such as accepting civil unions without insisting on the religious term “marriage”, and mounting campaigns among themselves against child sex abuse. But no.
So you are fighting a losing battle against Mother Nature, who is more powerful than any electorate or any human judge. She has the ultimate judge on her team.
You have pled the case of the hurt feelings of people who are “shamed and shunned” for this behavior, and wish to sweep aside the mountain of testimony of adults who were sexually used by adults in their childhoods and have suffered deep trauma as a result of having an unequal capacity to decide or to resist at all. You cite fears of “homos being killed”; while the actual incidence of hate crimes against gays has continually gone down, not up, as reported by the FBI. The far greatest number and rising incidence of hate crimes are directed against persons by religion or race.
As to “homo’s being killed or whatever”, the regulars here on FR espouse no such thing as a conservative value; we simply believe (as you say you do) that the will of the People should be respected, that the will of the People has over and over and over again rejected the legalization of homosexual behavior and indoctrination directed at children; yet this most basic freedom of our Constitutional guarantees — Consent of the Governed— has been swept aside as meaningless.
You call rejection of this dangerous behavior “visceral and cold-hearted”, “a moral outrage” and “unallowable”, and see no contradiction in your position that we should just take a vote, suppress the results of the vote, and punish the Christians and even the atheists who clearly see the tons of evidence that gay behavior is a symptom of deeper emotional distress and can cause life-threatening physical illnesses, deep and painful psychological trauma and early death.
Wake up. No one wants to kill homosexuals simply for having this particular anxiety disorder; although I won’t deny that many of us think that any rape of any pre-pubsescent child by any adult under any circumstances should be tried as a capital crime. But for their part, homosexuals seem to think that the twisting of children’s natural growth patterns towards narcissism and rebellion shouldn’t upset their parents; that gay teachers should be exempt from the same protective standards parents should expect of any caregiver; and that open displays of S&M and self-mutilation at gay pride events that violate the public obscenity statutes heterosexuals would be liable for shouldn’t upset their neighbors.
I can personally say that hatred of persons with gay behavioral disorders is the last thing on my mind. What I feel is sadness, compassion and pity for the rank and file GLBT’s and exasperation and resentment towards the strident activists who attempt to supplant traditional child-protective morality with destructive hedonist legality. I have worked in the arts and watched many bad breakups and drug dependence among lesbians and more than 50 gay male friends die of AIDS, staying with one of my life’s most cherished and brilliantly talented friends at the hospital until he died, his once-strong 6-foot frame reduced to 85 pounds. At a certain point, he recognized that was he responsible for his choices and regretted having traded in the chance to live out his life and use his talents for cheap thrills in dance clubs and bathhouses. He saw a glimpse of his actual self-worth and felt the lost opportunity to love an understanding woman and be a real father, and he suffered longer than necessary trying to forestall his dreaded and inevitable death. Trust me, no one was preaching negativity to him — he was surrounded by loving Christians who did their best to reassure him of God’s understanding, love and redemption.
tommy k5, most Christians I know are motivated by wanting homosexuals to wake up and seek healing; we want homosexuals to face the truth and stop harassing and punishing those who speak the truth about the ill effects of gay behavior on those who indulge in it; and we want homosexuals to extend the same tolerance of difference that they demand for themselves to those who believe the behavior is not a natural identity, but a social club like the mafia (once you get in, you can’t get out except by death or witness protection).
Gay behavior is a high-risk, dangerous and deadly influence not just on its practitioners in private; but the gay agenda let loose on society, is a destructive force upon all adults and children required to deny their spiritual integrity to accommodate its opposition to nature.
Gay behavior is an addiction; it tempts people to use more and more lethally unhealthy forms of “high”; and most importantly, in the quiet moments of the soul, it turns people away from God, whether anyone says so or not. It is what it is; it is an escape from, and a bad solution to, a difficult emotional problem.
This is the truth as I know it. Do not turn away.
Really troll?
Where have you seen this expressed on Free Republic?
Which leftist group do you belong to that is trying to smear conservatives?
There's no paranoia. There's truth and then there's the campaign to keep the truth hidden.
Do these mentally ill people look like they're "in pain" Or do they look like they enjoy their deviancy.
Btw, it's their guilt that causes them pain.
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