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To: edge919

It doesn’t create reasonable doubt at all. Obama and the Democrats managed to focus the eligiblity questions on place of birth, particularly by creating an unnecessary resolution for John McCain who admits he was born out of the country, but who can actually prove where he was born. Obama can’t prove where he was born. The focus on Obama’s inability to prove his place of birth kept most people from realizing that his parents’ citizenships mattered too. By the time it was brought up again, it was too late.


Wouldn’t it be the responsibility of the PLAINTIFFS in Obama
eligibility lawsuits to focus attention on “jus sanguinis” or parental citizenship in order to qualify as “natural born”?
The majority of lawsuits that I know of that were filed BEFORE Obama was elected claimed that he was not BORN in the United States. If that is the charge against Obama, that is what Obama’s lawyers defended against.

The earliest Obama eligibility lawsuits (from Wikipedia):
Berg v. Obama
On August 21, 2008, Pennsylvania attorney Philip J. Berg, a Democrat and former deputy state attorney general, filed a complaint alleging that Obama was born in Kenya, not Hawaii, and was therefore a citizen of Kenya or possibly Indonesia, where he lived as a child. He alleged that the “Certification of Live Birth” on Obama’s website is a forgery. U.S. District Judge R. Barclay Surrick dismissed the complaint in October 2008, finding that Berg lacked standing to bring the case and that his attempts to gain standing to pursue his claim were “frivolous and not worthy of discussion.”


Martin v. Lingle
On October 17, 2008, another lawsuit was filed in a state circuit court of Hawaii by Andy Martin, who was earlier declared by the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Eleventh Circuit to be a “notoriously vexatious and vindictive litigator who has long abused the American legal system”, and who uses lawsuits as “a cruel and effective weapon against his enemies.”

Martin’s lawsuit sought to order the state to release a copy of Sen. Obama’s long-form birth certificate. The short-form birth certificate that the Obama campaign posted online states his place of birth as Honolulu, Hawaii.


Donofrio v. Wells
In October 2008, Leo Donofrio, an attorney from New Jersey,filed suit to challenge the eligibility of Obama, Republican presidential candidate John McCain (see details here) and the Socialist Workers Party candidate Roger Calero. Donofrio asserted that all three candidates were ineligible: Obama due to having dual U.S. and British nationality at birth (the latter via Obama’s father), McCain due to being born in the Panama Canal Zone, and Calero due to allegedly still having Nicaraguan citizenship.

Donofrio was not among those who claimed Obama might have been born outside Hawaii. Also, Donofrio did not challenge the fact that Obama is a U.S. citizen and instead challenged only whether Obama is a natural-born citizen.

The case was referred to the Supreme Court by Justice Clarence Thomas. When the case reached the United States Supreme Court on December 8, 2008, the Court declined without comment to hear the case.


The Wikipedia entry highlights nine other lawsuits including Wrotnowski v Bysieciwz, Keyes v Bowen, Ankeny v The Governor of Indiana, Kerchner v Obama, Barnett v Obama, Hollister v Soetoro, Cook v Obama, Rhodes v MacDonald and the Lakin Court Martial.
Most of those suits sought Obama’s long form birth certificate and did not specifically focus on his father’s birth in Kenya or his British Nationality Act of 1948 citizenship status.


256 posted on 08/26/2010 10:50:06 AM PDT by jamese777
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To: jamese777
Most of those suits sought Obama’s long form birth certificate and did not specifically focus on his father’s birth in Kenya or his British Nationality Act of 1948 citizenship status.

Are you trying to win another argument for me?? That's what I said. "The focus on Obama’s inability to prove his place of birth kept most people from realizing that his parents’ citizenships mattered too." I'm really worried about you today. You keep falling on the sword. It's weird.

267 posted on 08/26/2010 12:09:30 PM PDT by edge919
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