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To: justiceseeker93; Mr Rogers
Apparently you haven't read Vattel’s work, which was written in the 1750s, and which defined natural born subjects as persons born within a nation to two parents both of whom were born within that nation as well.

I'm aware of Vattel, and you are correct on this point.

Vattel is considered the common law source

Here you are incorrect. Vattel is not writing in the Anglo-Saxon common law tradition, but in the continental European legal tradition, which is based on Roman law. US law is based on Anglo-Saxon common law, whose definition of natural born subject/citizen does not require two citizen parents. Hence whatever Vattel says on the matter is irrelevant.

"In common law, a natural born subject could have two alien parents," is complete poppycock.

No it's not, it's based English common law precedent that goes back to the middle ages, much of which is referenced in the Wong Kim Ark decision. Mr. Rogers has already provided the relevant citations, so I will not reproduce them here.

116 posted on 08/25/2010 1:05:16 PM PDT by curiosity
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To: curiosity
Please see my post # 120. The Wong Kim Ark case was strictly a 14th Amendment case. There was no need for the Court there to explore the meaning of “natural born citizen” as it occurs in Article II because Wong had no ambitions to attain the offices of President of the United States or Vice President of the United States.
121 posted on 08/25/2010 1:55:38 PM PDT by justiceseeker93
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To: curiosity; justiceseeker93
> Apparently you haven't read Vattel’s work, which was written in the 1750s, and which defined natural born subjects as persons born within a nation to two parents both of whom were born within that nation as well.

I'm aware of Vattel, and you are correct on this point.

Actually, not quite. Vattel did not use the word "two." You'd think if it were that important, he would have put it in; but, in fact, he didn't. I believe him to be using the same construction as when one says "boys whose fathers played football are more likely to take up the sport;" or, as in Blackstone, "all children, born out of the king’s ligeance, whose fathers were natural-born subjects, are now natural-born subjects themselves." I don't think either of those statements means they only apply to children with two fathers, so I don't see why Vattel's statement has to mean two citizens. Like I said, if he meant two, he could have said two.

135 posted on 08/25/2010 4:22:40 PM PDT by Ha Ha Thats Very Logical
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