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The baby boomers and the price of personal freedom
The Guardian ^ | 22 August 2010 | Will Hutton

Posted on 08/22/2010 1:07:34 PM PDT by Publius804

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To: DJ MacWoW

LOL Hit me with your best shot !!! A good debate is always fun. I look forward to spirited debates in the future.


61 posted on 08/22/2010 2:03:51 PM PDT by CynicalBear
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To: abigail2

The Boomer generation split into red and blue factions over the Vietnam War and many other things. Which is why the split continues. The blues dominate academia because they followed in the footsteps of the radicals who already controlled education when education began its vast post-war expansion.


62 posted on 08/22/2010 2:04:07 PM PDT by RobbyS (Pray with the suffering souls.)
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To: februus

That generation jones stuff was created in 1991, and would make the boomer generation an 8 year generation.

It is not in use as the formal description of the boomer generation.


63 posted on 08/22/2010 2:04:44 PM PDT by ansel12
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To: FreedomPoster; Jim Robinson
I Could have been just as hard on any American generation. Socialism in America is a disease at least 150 years in the making; indeed, its seeds were planted in the Constitution before the ink was dry. To think that one generation owns "the problem" is idiotic on its face. It was just as much a part of our mindset when citizens of the North acted collectively to "free" slaves they didn't own as it was when Social Security was born.

The real problem is that people do not understand G-d's Tenth Commandment, as to why a simple thought could be a crime so significant as to be on His "Top Ten" list in the place of second highest emphasis. Covetous breeds the desire to erect collective institutions capable of securing private property, institutions capable of enslaving us all. His Law is the essence of Liberty. It's just too bad that organized religion has done such a pi$$ poor job of teaching it.

64 posted on 08/22/2010 2:07:03 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (The environment is too complex and too important to manage by central planning.)
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To: Carry_Okie; Jim Robinson
Will work until I die.

And (I might add) I wouldn't want it any other way.

Yep, and I hope that's a long time yet.

65 posted on 08/22/2010 2:08:23 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: RachelFaith

Oh I would chill if you had used a SARC tag. If that is what you meant, use one.

Why? Because later on in the threat, someone actually agreed with you and they did not seem to be kidding. No sarc tags either. Careful what you write, for there are those that have very extreme positions.

Nothing makes me madder than being stereotyped and blamed for crap that I did not create. I will chill in 2010 when order and justice is restored.


66 posted on 08/22/2010 2:08:28 PM PDT by Freedom56v2 ("If you think healthcare is expensive now, wait till it is free"--PJ O'rourke)
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To: CynicalBear
I really am sorry for being such a grump. Stress is no excuse.
67 posted on 08/22/2010 2:09:49 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If Bam is the answer, the question was stupid.)
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To: RobbyS
The Boomer generation split into red and blue factions over the Vietnam War

Here is an interesting Gallup chart, regarding support for the Vietnam war, and age groups.

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68 posted on 08/22/2010 2:12:54 PM PDT by ansel12
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The only up shot about the Gen Xers attitude toward the boomers is that they are going to be screwed even harder.

But remember this Gen X. We are fighting even now to save you from this burdensome debt.


69 posted on 08/22/2010 2:15:01 PM PDT by mylife (Opinions $1 Halfbaked 50c)
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To: grania
May I be outrageous and say maybe what messed everything up is when Moms just about all went to work, and nobody has the full time job of raising the kids and being part of community values and activities?

Absolutely!

When the once-optional middle-class second income became commonplace, there was sufficient inflation to deepen the poverty of the indigent and push for the plethora of social programs we are stuck with now, and drive prices up for the remainder.

That was just the economic aspect, but that drove more families to either make concessions in their lifestyle or to have mom go to work.

Which left the kids to be raised by the State, school, etc., daycare (State approved), and lessened the quality time parents had for their children. That broke cultural continuity for a vast number of people.

Mom already had a job, one more important than any other.

70 posted on 08/22/2010 2:17:28 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: ansel12; Publius804
The baby boomers. Born between 1945 and 1955,

The guy is an idiot, the boomer generation is those people born from 1946 to 1964.

All these "generations" are inventions of the human mind. There is no "correct" definition but some definitions make far more sense than others.

When you think about it, a "generation" should group together individuals with a similar experience based upon their era of birth.

A time span lasting from 1946 to 1964 is far too long for a single "generation". For example:

The year is 1967. What does 21 year old John, a combat infantryman in Vietnam, have in common with 3 year old Timmy, two years out of toilet traning?

In 2010, how will John and Timmy remember "The Sixties"?

Sometimes, the generation born between 1954 and 1965 is referred to as Generation Jones

Understanding ‘Generation Jones’ and other mini-generation gaps: They were the Baby Boomers who didn’t make it to Woodstock — because it would have taken them way past their bedtimes.

Who is Generation Jones?

71 posted on 08/22/2010 2:19:49 PM PDT by Polybius
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To: ansel12
It looks like the Tet offensive propaganda barrage from our own MSM was pretty effective from that chart.

Despite a decisive military victory for our side, the event was portrayed as evidence we were being defeated.

It would be like casting the 'Battle of the Bulge' as a defeat because the Axis had advanced the salient.

72 posted on 08/22/2010 2:20:17 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: ansel12

I was in the middle group. As I recall, a lot of older guys, including WWII veterans, opposed it because it dragged on. Get in or get out was a common phrase. Another Korean stalemate developing.


73 posted on 08/22/2010 2:22:27 PM PDT by RobbyS (Pray with the suffering souls.)
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To: ansel12

Hah hah not so fast - Rasmussen recognizes Jones as distinct and the voting block was largely responsible for electing Bush 2nd term.

Key characteristics: less optimistic, distrust of government, general cynicism.


74 posted on 08/22/2010 2:23:40 PM PDT by februus
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To: Publius804
Category error. The issue isn't "generation," it is a certain type of person, or a certain attribute of human nature that is present in every generation.
75 posted on 08/22/2010 2:23:48 PM PDT by Cboldt
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To: Poundstone

Get ready to be on the receiving end of flames pointed toward your decisions made at an early age!

I’m in a similar situation and catch heat for my decisions made at 23 yo.

Enjoy your retirement.


76 posted on 08/22/2010 2:27:01 PM PDT by Randy Larsen ( BTW, If I offend you! Please let me know, I may want to offend you again!(FR #1690))
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To: Smokin' Joe

Well, we didn’t have an Ernie Pyle in 1968. He was at Omaha Beach and threw up just like everyone else. But General Bradley “persuaded” him NOT to show the world that mess. He saw that the other beachheads had gone pretty well. So he went along. The Americans there happened to run into a German buzz saw called the 362. Good thing Rommel couldn’t get more such units there.


77 posted on 08/22/2010 2:29:26 PM PDT by RobbyS (Pray with the suffering souls.)
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To: ansel12

>> The baby boomers. Born between 1945 and 1955,

COOL! I’m off the hook.

>> The guy is an idiot, the boomer generation is those people born from 1946 to 1964.

RATS! I’m back on the hook. :-)


78 posted on 08/22/2010 2:30:01 PM PDT by Nervous Tick (Eat more spinach! Make Green Jobs for America!)
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To: bushwon
I will chill in 2010 when order and justice is restored.

Read my Tagline. 100+ sweep of the Congress.

But, sadly that will NOT change things. It will not REPEAL ObamaCare. It will not END government bailouts. It will not declare WAR on Islam. It will tap the breaks of this runaway train with no deadman's switch, twice... maybe... and then OFF the cliff we go to our doom. But I will get some smug satisfaction watching the TV pundits try and explain away the results Nov 2.

79 posted on 08/22/2010 2:30:37 PM PDT by RachelFaith (2010 is going to be a 100 seat Tsunami - Unless the GOP Senate ruins it all...)
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To: Polybius

If you want to start making up names and divisions then “boomer” needs to disappear from language altogether.

We also need to erase decades of data, and shaped public opinion that had all been based on the official definition of boomer.

When the GAO for instance does a study like this they use the official government definition for boomers.

“United States Government Accountability Office GAO Report to Congressional Committees”

July 2006 BABY BOOM GENERATION Retirement of Baby Boomers Is Unlikely to Precipitate Dramatic Decline in Market Returns, but Broader Risks Threaten Retirement Security Highlights of GAO-06-718, a report to congressional committees

“Why GAO Did This Study

The first wave of baby boomers(born between 1946 and 1964) will become eligible for Social Securityearly retirement benefits in 2008. Inaddition to concerns about how the boomers’ retirement will strain the nation’s retirement and healthsystems, concerns also have been raised about the possibility for boomers to sell off large amounts of financial assets in retirement,”

http://www.gao.gov/new.items/d06718.pdf


80 posted on 08/22/2010 2:30:56 PM PDT by ansel12
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