Conservative Americans, unlike Socialist/Communist citizens, can distinguish between on administrations foreign policy from another.
What does that have to do with anything? All of our administrations have been America. If Nixon did dumb things which contributed to future terrorist acts, or didn't do smart things which would have averted future terrorist attacks, then America did those things. If Carter did or did not do in the same manner then, again, it was America. Which administration did this or that does not matter. The fact remains that our national policies matter. We cannot go around pretending that America cannot be blamed and then argue at the same time that we are courting future attack. Either we can or we can't. It can't be both.
You accuse America and her administrations of provoking Muslims...
No, I don't think I actually said this, but rather only spoke of funding. But we have probably provoked in a sense too, though I don't know if that is avoidable. Thinking about it from that consideration I would probably say that we have provoked needlessly and that is an issue. I don't mind provoking people who matter for reasons that matter. However, fooling about with a bunch of backwards nutters because they have oil, when we already have plenty of oil ourselves that we refuse to dig up simply because we really like buying theirs, is both needless and counterproductive.
In case you missed the news, Muslim have been waging wars on “infidels” for centuries. Using your line of reasoning, I’m sure the “infidels” and their governments are to blame... A few muslim’s didn’t wake up one day and say, “Allah Akbar, I am outraged at these American dogs. Let’s bomb them!”
You have clearly missed the point. I say that "we brought this on ourselves" insofar as what you are saying here is absolutely true. These nutters have been doing this for centuries, and didn't just wake up and decide to bomb us randomly. Instead of avoiding this and being ready for an attack, which we knew could happen, we convinced ourselves that Islam was all sweet and cuddly. We sucked up to Saudi princes and leaders in Pakistan, and in many other areas too depending on which way the winds are blowing, all of whom have been funding and working with terrorists for ages. We have refused to use our own resources and instead make certain that stupid amounts of money get funnelled over to Arabs every year. We were wilfully ignorant and unprepared and when the inevitable finally happened our response was one of refusing to admit that mistakes were made. Silly to the point of self-destructiveness.
People around here are so sensitive about "blaming America" insisting that past American foreign policy, even that of LBJ, Carter and Clinton, is infallible. They did nothing wrong. And yet I have to read day in and day out that Obama is going to get us all killed. Which is it? Can our national policy, and thereby America, influence possible attacks, or can't it? It can't be both, and knowing which administration is which is hardly relevant.
“We cannot go around pretending that America cannot be blamed and then argue at the same time that we are courting future attack. Either we can or we can’t. It can’t be both.”
Your default position is:
- We were attacked by Muslims, therefore, due to our foreign relationship and funding, we are to blame.
You’re wrong. In case you failed World History, nations have been waging wars and conquering one another for centuries. Sooner or later, America would have to protect her own shores from foreign invaders.
Furthermore, Christians, Catholics, Atheists, Muslims, etc. have been fighting for turf for quite a long time.
“People around here are so sensitive about “blaming America” insisting that past American foreign policy, even that of LBJ, Carter and Clinton, is infallible. They did nothing wrong. And yet I have to read day in and day out that Obama is going to get us all killed. Which is it? Can our national policy, and thereby America, influence possible attacks, or can’t it? It can’t be both, and knowing which administration is which is hardly relevant.”
Sensitive my eye. We simply dismiss default positions such as yours, which is to say, that we brought the attacks on ourselves due to our governments negligence and foreign policy.
“infallible”? That’s totally false. I have yet to hear any American say that our government is infallible. This is you projecting due to your default position.
Those who disagree with you on these issues know that whether it was 9/11 or another point and time, we would have to engage in war on our own turf. History reveals these realities time and again.
Using cothrige logic, Daniel Pearl deserved to have his head chopped off.
In reality, Daniel Pearl was beheaded because he was not a Muslim; he was the enemy. It wasn’t because he deserved it due to his governments foreign policy, or because he was funding Islams enemies. (in case you’re missing my point by now, this is an illustration)
America is an enemy of Islam. If you are suggesting that we should cut ties with our allies, e.g. Israel, because this may provoke Islam, I say that it doesn’t matter who we are allied with. You seem to think that if we just minded our own business, Islam would leave us alone. If this is true, you are so naive and ignorant of Islams objective, and the fact that world history is quite clear on the subject of Muslims, land, and war.