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To: antiRepublicrat
The religious author---

Do you mean George Mason or Thomas Jefferson, since they both wrote the same thing and emphasized the same thing as the very founding principle of our nation.

We didn't write it, they wrote it. we *are endowed by our Creator with certain inalienable rights.*

How could you call it extremist to want to emphasize where our rights come from? You don't mind the document, you just want to prevent any clear authorative teaching of an important idea it was meaning to convey. Admit it!

That is why you keep tap dancing and taking several winding sentences to avoid what you could have said in five words.

You are the extremist. Your spin is the same as the liberals on all those far left web sites, same far left bias on this topic.

136 posted on 08/26/2010 12:35:16 PM PDT by gunsofaugust (Ignore the bishops who choose to ignore the laws that interfere with their leftist political goals.)
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To: gunsofaugust
Do you mean George Mason or Thomas Jefferson, since they both wrote the same thing and emphasized the same thing as the very founding principle of our nation

No, they didn't. Jefferson said rights are endowed by a creator (not in bold text as you wrote). Mason instead wrote of natural rights, not creator-endowed.

You don't mind the document, you just want to prevent any clear authorative teaching of an important idea it was meaning to convey.

The idea both were trying to convey was that our rights are not granted by a government and therefore it is not within the government's power to take them away. That is the important concept, our relationship with our government. If anything is to be emphasized, that is it. Mason first phrased this concept as natural rights, likely owing to natural rights as stated by John Locke. Jefferson later phrased this concept as rights endowed by a creator.

But because "creator" was used by one author, your bias requires you to stress that as hard as you can. Simply, if it can be described without "creator" as it was done in the first document, then "creator" is not of a critical importance to the concept, and thus there is no reason to emphasize it other than religious bias.

So both documents should be taught, with no agenda-based bias as you propose. Should the course delve further into the source of rights, then that would lead into a discussion of creator-endowed (DofI) and natural (DoR) rights. My desire to eliminate bias lets me propose teaching the creator-endowed angle. Your desire to have a bias makes you want it front-and-center even where it doesn't belong.

So I'm interested. How would you teach Jefferson's "Wall of Separation," or would you try to ignore it completely in a curriculum?

137 posted on 08/26/2010 1:53:09 PM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: gunsofaugust
We didn't write it, they wrote it. we *are endowed by our Creator with certain inalienable rights.*

Excellent and it does smoke out the liberals. Thanks for exposing another liberal.

138 posted on 02/28/2011 7:51:01 PM PST by Old Landmarks (No fear of man, none!)
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