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To: An.American.Expatriate
Nonresponse! Hate Crime Laws have nothing to do with marriage.

I didn't say they did. It has to do with the agenda....which you appear to be pushing.

Prop 8 was struck down because it gives one group of people an advantage over others financially & contractually.

Really? What did Prop 8 say? Can you tell me?

Be aware that another poster pushing the agenda was just banned.

No. I'm going to agree with the founders that refused to place any one religion before another!

Again you are wrong. They followed Christianity.

Proposed Seal for the United States LOC

On July 4, 1776, Congress appointed Benjamin Franklin, Thomas Jefferson and John Adams "to bring in a device for a seal for the United States of America." Franklin's proposal adapted the biblical story of the parting of the Red Sea (left). Jefferson first recommended the "Children of Israel in the Wilderness, led by a Cloud by Day, and a Pillar of Fire by night. . . ." He then embraced Franklin's proposal and rewrote it (right). Jefferson's revision of Franklin's proposal was presented by the committee to Congress on August 20. Although not accepted these drafts reveal the religious temper of the Revolutionary period. Franklin and Jefferson were among the most theologically liberal of the Founders, yet they used biblical imagery for this important task.

Morality in the Army LOC

Congress was apprehensive about the moral condition of the American army and navy and took steps to see that Christian morality prevailed in both organizations. In the Articles of War, seen below, governing the conduct of the Continental Army (seen above) (adopted, June 30, 1775; revised, September 20, 1776), Congress devoted three of the four articles in the first section to the religious nurture of the troops. Article 2 "earnestly recommended to all officers and soldiers to attend divine services." Punishment was prescribed for those who behaved "indecently or irreverently" in churches, including courts-martial, fines and imprisonments. Chaplains who deserted their troops were to be court-martialed.

Aitken's Bible Endorsed by Congress LOC

The war with Britain cut off the supply of Bibles to the United States with the result that on Sept. 11, 1777, Congress instructed its Committee of Commerce to import 20,000 Bibles from "Scotland, Holland or elsewhere." On January 21, 1781, Philadelphia printer Robert Aitken (1734-1802) petitioned Congress to officially sanction a publication of the Old and New Testament which he was preparing at his own expense. Congress "highly approve the pious and laudable undertaking of Mr. Aitken, as subservient to the interest of religion . . . in this country, and . . . they recommend this edition of the bible to the inhabitants of the United States." This resolution was a result of Aitken's successful accomplishment of his project.

215 posted on 08/19/2010 10:58:41 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If Bam is the answer, the question was stupid.)
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To: DJ MacWoW

cool links...saved the proposed seal pic, very telling of our founding indeed...


229 posted on 08/19/2010 11:14:38 AM PDT by Gilbo_3 (Gov is not reason; not eloquent; its force.Like fire,a dangerous servant & master. George Washington)
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To: DJ MacWoW

You brough in hate crime laws, not me ... and I am not arguing for anyones agenda ...

Prop 8 defined “marriage” as a union between a man and a woman only. Marriage, legally today, confers special priveleges upon those married which are denied to others. I contend that these priviledges should not exist in the first place!

Marriage is a promise made before God. It should remain that.

The founders refused to place anyone religion before another - the even went so far as to explicitly forbid the government from doing it! They did NOT say that these restrictions applied only to Christianity, although they could have if they had been so inclined. Many other religions were well known at the time, and, unless I missed something in the Constitution - none of them were excluded from protection. That the founders *prefered* the Judeo-Christian tradition and based almost ALL of our founding principles upon them is a well known fact. They apparently also accepted the premise of Free Will.

Your final quotes are interesting in that the prove that the early government was not indisposed to encouraging religious practices and even provided penalties for the disruption of them! Would that our government today encouraged church going and punished those that would disturb anothers observation of thier religion. But I must note that the government “recommended” these things - they did not require them ...


236 posted on 08/19/2010 11:19:25 AM PDT by An.American.Expatriate (Here's my strategy on the War against Terrorism: We win, they lose. - with apologies to R.R.)
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