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To: Gilbo_3

“You’re welcome johnny...i learned awhile back that everything I *thought* was important in life were the very things that were killing my happiness and serenity...coming full circle, i KNOW that all the bitter darkness in my heart was preparation, to be able to enjoy the rest of my imperfect days, and do some real work in ‘the world’...”

Your post deserves to be repeated in its entirety. It brought tears to my eyes. This is what we learn gradually as life beats us up day after day. I am in my forties now and have recently come to learn the truth as well. For some reason, the passage from the bible I most often go to is, “I lift mine eyes to the hills from whence commeth my strength.”

Even as truth and fairness and justice eludes us day after day, I firmly believe that somewhere out there, ahead of us, there is a better world...and I stay fixated on the horizon and just keep steeping forward. Thanks for your post.


116 posted on 08/19/2010 8:33:12 AM PDT by johnnycap
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To: johnnycap; Gilbo_3; All

“It can be safely said that the attitude of the Founders on the subject of homosexuality was precisely that given by William Blackstone in his Commentaries on the Laws—the basis of legal jurisprudence in America and heartily endorsed by numbers of significant Founders. In addressing sodomy (homosexuality), he found the subject so reprehensible that he was ashamed even to discuss it. Nonetheless, he noted:

“’What has been here observed . . . [the fact that the punishment fit the crime] ought to be the more clear in proportion as the crime is the more detestable, may be applied to another offence of a still deeper malignity; the infamous crime against nature committed either with man or beast. A crime which ought to be strictly and impartially proved and then as strictly and impartially punished. . . . I will not act so disagreeable part to my readers as well as myself as to dwell any longer upon a subject the very mention of which is a disgrace to human nature [sodomy]. It will be more eligible to imitate in this respect the delicacy of our English law which treats it in its very indictments as a crime not fit to be named “

It appears to me, Johnny, that the founding fathers had NO use for homosexuality, rather a profound hatred for it.


124 posted on 08/19/2010 8:59:01 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (.Go troops! " Vote out RINOS. They screw you EVERY time" Jim Robinson)
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To: johnnycap; stephenjohnbanker; hiredhand
Johnny, thanks for the kind words, yours also made me a lil mushy and humbled, being late to the party of 'Life' and somewhat regretful of some of the darkness i lived in...until i am reminded of the horizon we strive towards, and our call to gather others who are willing to walk the path together...

that said, i believe that the founders, as well as most cultures of history began with the moral judgement against the homos, knowing that its counterproductive to anything 'normal' and healthy for society...

we are, i believe, simply witnessing the pattern of every fallen society...pick any 'sin'...the practice thereof doesnt necessarily bring immediate physical judgement, so it gets tolerated and spreads into the culture, and imperfect humans that desire to insult the Lord [at least subconciously] and/or demand 'gimmes' from society and/or ones just seeking a lil cheap thrill, willingly rush down the road to perdition...

a few generations and all bets are off, the government is a reflection of the decomposition of the culture, and those who have turned towards the Will of God are ridiculed and pitted against each other...and we search for the few that will grab the lifeline we are called to throw out into the midst of it all, while tip-toeing thru the minefield of 'the world' that is laid before us...

I'm prolly rambling at this point, suffice it to say that we all have our crosses to bear, and in the Lord's eyes, all sin is an abomination...but how we accept His Will and Plans for our redemption, which includes repentence not found in legitimizing/legalising the behaviors or attitudes, is what makes the difference in society...

by condoning the behavior, we are refusing to be good witnesses to His Glory, whether they 'hear' or 'see' what we are saying matters little, except to God...

145 posted on 08/19/2010 9:41:11 AM PDT by Gilbo_3 (Gov is not reason; not eloquent; its force.Like fire,a dangerous servant & master. George Washington)
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