Posted on 08/15/2010 1:24:30 PM PDT by daniel1212
Content from video:
Historically, no culture has ever reversed a 1.9 fertility rate
Across the European Union of 31 countries, the fertility rate was 1.38
In France, 30% of children age 20 and younger are Islamic.
In Russian, there are 23 million Muslims . . . 1 in 5 Russians are Muslims. In just a few short years, 40% of the Russian army will be Islamic.
There are currently 52 million Muslims in Europe. The German government said that number is expected to double in the next 20 years to 104 million.
In 5 to 7 years, Islam will be the dominant religion in the world.
and thought it was interesting, especially in the midst of the current manifestation of Islamic strategy. In addition to data from the video are these excerpts from http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2005/08/predicting-a-majority-muslim-russia:
Although the total Russian population dropped by 400,000 in the first half of 2005, it increased in 15 regions, such as the Muslim republics of Chechnya, Dagestan and Ingushetia. The birth rate is 1.8 children per woman in Dagestan, versus 1.3 for Russia as a whole. Male life expectancy is 68 in Dagestan, versus 58 for Russia.
The fertility rate for Tatars living in Moscow, for example, is six children per woman, Goble said, while the Chechen and Ingush communities are averaging 10 children per woman. And hundreds of thousands of Muslims from Tajikistan, Uzbekistan and Kazakhstan have been flocking to Russia in search of work. Since 1989, Russia's Muslim population has increased by 40 percent to about 25 million. By 2015, Muslims will make up a majority of Russia's conscript army, and by 2020 a fifth of the population. "If nothing changes, in 30 years people of Muslim descent will definitely outnumber ethnic Russians," Goble said.
The Times observes that this growth in the Muslim population "has raised fears among Orthodox Church leaders and nationalists that Russia could eventually become a Muslim-majority nation."
Russian authorities have begun to crack down. This fall, four Russian regions introduced mandatory classes in Orthodox Christianity in all schools. On Wednesday, [Nov. 15,] the Russian Cabinet announced a new law that will ban foreigners, most of them Muslims, from working in retail stalls and markets, starting next year.
More pertinent data here: http://www.allied-media.com/AM/
My comment: Government may do what they can, when just, but this is a spiritual war. Islam replaces the dead carcass of institutionalized Christianity, which has more form than life, ritual over relationship, which declension typically occurs in response to prosperity, which is a blessing from God but also a test. Jesus comforted the afflicted and afflicted the comfortable, spiritually complacent, and if the goodness of God will not bring us to repentance (Rm. 2:4) than negative means must. (Ps. 107)
It is abundantly evidenced that America is in dire need of such, having progressively cast off the thing that is good, and has set up “kings,” but not by God, (Hos. 8:3,4) and has counted the great things of God's law a strange thing, (Hos. 8:12) and increasingly raised its children up in the way they should not go, much in contrast to her past. Therefore the enemy shall pursue her, and within we are reaping the result of sowing to the flesh.
Meanwhile, the devil works to deceive souls by misconstruing who and what God is, with liberals fostering the victim mentality (which had its beginning in Eden: Gn. 3:1-5), and making created things “gods” or effectively rendering God after their own imagination, while militant atheism strives to abolish God and His moral authority, and thus establish themselves as supreme.
The moral void left by such is conducive to both Islam and Communism and its ilk, and for both the salvation of souls and country only a revived Christianity can counter it, such as was realized in the Great Awakenings and true revivals, which once helped to make an evangelical Christian faith the basic “civil religion.” And I need to seek such more myself.
Islam doesn’t need any weapon of mass destruction as long as we have the pill.
It appears that the only hope for Europe is for the “Christians” to consolidate into defensible countries in N. and W. Europe (such as Britain, Ireland, Scandinavia, Spain/Portugal) and send their Muslims to France, etc.
This would be much like what happened to the Celts in Europe, as they were pushed into Wales, Scotland, and Ireland by waves of aggressive peoples from Scandinavia, Germany.
May I ask which culture the author has in mind?
Well, pleasure without responsibility is part of the liberal ethos, with its willingness to routinely abort the consequences of sexual relations being one evidence of that. And which is a result of its war against God. Prov. 8:36: But he that sinneth against me wrongeth his own soul: all they that hate me love death.
Thanks, a fitting supplement.
Sure, but what drives responses is the issue. Having rejected their basic Christian spiritual moorings blindness in part is happened to them.
Beware. That video contains lot of hyperbole, stat-padding and lies.
I assume they mean any culture? Below says “experts explain” though i know not who.
http://www.hoover.org/publications/policy-review/article/7123
This one references a large study: http://www.europeanvoice.com/article/imported/europe-needs-higher-fertility-rates/63566.aspx
See above, but i am not affirming all in the video, nor can i call anything lies as far as i know.
If we think American free markets create prosperity and if we wish prosperity on the Americans of the not-too-far-distant future, the one thing we can do to preserve it is to fight multiculturalism, and promote what we all have in common, to be numerous not by virtue of race or religion, but by virtue of American values. As has been repeated so many times, we must all hang together or we shall surely each hang alone.
Let´s take some examples and think them through:
“In only 15 years, half of the population of the Netherlands will be Muslim”.
The current population of Holland is just over 16.5 million. Explain to be how a muslim population of just about 1 million will exceed 15 million in 15 years?
“Currently in Belgium, 25% of the population and 50% of all newborns are Muslim.”
The reality is that only 6% of the Belgian population is muslim and therefore highly unlikely that they are producing the same number of children as the remaining 94%.
“The German Government, the first to talk about this publicly, recently released a public saying, ‘the fall in the German population can no longer be stopped. Its downward spiral is no longer reversible… It will be a Muslim state by 2050.”
No one in the German government made the claim that “..it will be a Muslim state by 2050”.
I could go on but it took me about 15 minutes to unravel some of the horse manure in that post. As I said it´s hyperbole, stat padding and lying and not worthy of a conservative site.
I think the defensible countries are in east-central Europe, especially Poland. I spend a lot of time in Poland, and there is no way the Poles will become Islamicized without a fight.
I see. I usually check more. More here: http://www.englishbaby.com/forum/LifeTalk/thread/375880-muslim-demographics-western-concern
http://www.thenational.ae/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20090814/OPINION/708139967/1006/RSS
It will take a tough fight to stop and reverse that trend
A bit more on controversy as to how much Islam will grow, from WP.
Don Melvin writes that, excluding Russia, Europe's Muslim population will double by 2020. He also says that almost 85% of Europe's total population growth in 2005 was due to immigration in general.[19][21]Omer Taspinar predicts that the Muslim population of Europe will nearly double by 2015, while the non-Muslim will shrink by 3.5%, due to the higher Muslim birth rate.[22] Esther Pan predicts that, by 2050, one in five Europeans will likely be Muslim.[22][23]
Professor Philip Jenkins of Penn State University estimates that by 2100, Muslims will compose about 25% of Europe's population. But Jenkins admits this figure does not take account of the large birthrates amongst Europe's immigrant Christians.[24] Additionally, this estimation depends more on the supposed inevitability of the increase of Muslim population in the West and one person's research on the future of Europeans. Therefore, while Jenkins' estimation should be considered in the process of predicting what it would be like to live in the West in the year 2100, it should also be raising doubts about the entire European population.
Other analysts are skeptical about the given forecast and the accuracy of the claimed Muslim population growth, since sharp decrease in Muslim fertility rates[25] and the limiting of immigrants coming in to Europe, which will lead to Muslim population increasing slowly in the coming years to eventually stagnation and decline. Others point to overestimated number and exaggeration of the Muslim growth rate.[26]
The only hope for Europe and the western world is to stick to their tough and historical judeo-christian and greek-latin roots and stop the islamic immigration.
Meanwhile it will be urgent to definetly highlight the stupidity and evil of the liberal relativism which feign to believe that every opinions ,every religions ,are equally right
Thank you for saving me some time in replying to one utterly BS-filled post.
Sad to see Islamist propaganda pushed on this site.
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