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The State of the War (NYT Throws Obama Under the Afghan Bus)
New York Times ^ | August 12, 2010 | NYT Editorial Board

Posted on 08/12/2010 7:53:44 PM PDT by Pan_Yan

We believe that the United States has a powerful national interest in Afghanistan, in depriving Al Qaeda of a safe haven on either side of the Afghanistan-Pakistan border. This country would also do enormous damage to its moral and strategic standing if it now simply abandoned the Afghan people to the Taliban’s brutalities.

But like many Americans, we are increasingly confused and anxious about the strategy in Afghanistan and wonder whether, at this late date, there is a chance of even minimal success.

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But reports from the ground have been so relentlessly grim — July’s death toll of 66 American troops was the highest since the war began — that Mr. Obama needs to do a better job right now of explaining the strategy and how he is measuring progress.

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Since then, the administration has sent a host — a cacophony — of conflicting signals about the deadline, the strategy and its commitment to the war.

Americans need regular, straight talk from President Obama about what is happening in Afghanistan, for good and ill, and the plan going forward. More ambiguity will only add to the anxiety and confusion.

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Breaking News; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: afghanistan; barackpower; barryblowsit; makebelieveballroom; noobarackpansies; nyt; obama; zer0cojones
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To: citizenredstater9271
This communist claims Americans are losing faith in N0bama and the Afghanistan war

Hes got that half right...

41 posted on 08/13/2010 5:01:48 AM PDT by bill1952 (Choice is an illusion created between those with power - and those without)
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To: REPANDPROUDOFIT
President Bush had over seven full years to win the war in Afghanistan. That's twice as long as it took America to defeat the Japanese Empire.

On September 12, 2001 he effectively received a blank check from Congress, the media, and the public to do whatever was necessary to decisively win the war.

He did not cash that check.

There has never been an anti-war movement of any significance in this country until we started fighting these no win, politically correct, nation building "wars".

42 posted on 08/13/2010 5:39:18 AM PDT by Notary Sojac (I've been ionized, but I'm okay now.)
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To: Notary Sojac
IMHO, President Bush looked at Afghanistan, ‘The Graveyard of Empires’, and saw it as a no win situation. He instead picked a fight with the terrorists on ground of our choosing. Iraq is flat, open and fairly modern. He got the terrorists to come to where we could kill them and we did. He left just enough men in Afghanistan to keep the Taliban out of power and only made a show of trying to nation build.

Candidate Obama made all the noise about Afghanistan being the ‘good war’ and ‘Bush took his eye off the ball’. He committed us to a mission that Bush never supported. There have been more coalition forces killed in the 21 months since Obama was elected than in the entire 7 years Bush was in charge and we are no closer to a creating a stable ally than we were in October 2001.

43 posted on 08/13/2010 5:55:02 AM PDT by Pan_Yan
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To: sushiman

“Hilary is a winner in 2012 , no ?”
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I don’t think so, her only chance would be if the Republicans nominate a woman and the wrong woman at that. American women don’t want a woman in the white house, they will only allow it if both major party candidates are women. At any rate I wouldn’t attempt to make any kind of prediction of a winner in 2012. We will be lucky if there is an election in 2012.


44 posted on 08/13/2010 5:58:51 AM PDT by RipSawyer (Trying to reason with a leftist is like trying to catch sunshine in a fish net at midnight.)
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To: sushiman
More and more I am getting the feeling that Obama , for some reason , will not run in 2012

My prayer is that by 2012 Obama will be serving a life sentence for treason against the United States.

45 posted on 08/13/2010 6:06:14 AM PDT by thethirddegree
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To: Notary Sojac

“There has never been an anti-war movement of any significance in this country until we started fighting these no win, politically correct, nation building ‘wars.’”

I agree that Bush didn’t cash the check, because he was a liberal RINO. Don’t get me wrong, I would take him back in a heartbeat, but he was not interested in really winning a war, anymore than Obama is today. The “wars” isn’t really the problem anyway - the pi$$ poor, no win, politically correct STRATEGY is what is killing us!

The difference between these “nation building” wars, as you call them, and WWII, is the strategy! Kill them all and let God sort them out - WINS WARS! And it SAVES lives, mostly American lives - and I am all for that!

Let the military run the campaigns to win, then just like in Japan, we can give them back parts of the control when we know they can handle it! Stop pu$$y-footing and get this done with real war, with real losses (theirs) and trust me - they will come around to our way of thinking!

You do not win wars with the LBJ “Hearts and Minds” strategy! Not against someone who has been at war with you for over 10 years before we even knew! Those people are out to destroy us - I say, “Destroy them back!”


46 posted on 08/13/2010 6:17:15 AM PDT by ExTxMarine (Hey Congress: Go Conservative or Go home!)
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To: Pan_Yan

I thought this was the war that Democrats supported. I guess they’re liars.


47 posted on 08/13/2010 6:46:08 AM PDT by popdonnelly (Democrats = authoritarian socialists)
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To: Pan_Yan
and saw it as a no win situationSorry, not buying. American boots should not hit the ground unless there is a strategy to win.
48 posted on 08/13/2010 7:12:18 AM PDT by Notary Sojac (I've been ionized, but I'm okay now.)
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To: left that other site

A moose bit my sister once..... :)


49 posted on 08/13/2010 9:24:02 AM PDT by DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis
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To: DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis

That’s because she wasn’t veiled from head to toe. She DESERVED it.


50 posted on 08/13/2010 9:29:28 AM PDT by left that other site (Your Mi'KMaq Paddy Whacky Bass Playing Biker Buddy)
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To: left that other site

Yes, she wasn’t veiled...she was too busy eating cheese...:)


51 posted on 08/13/2010 9:37:00 AM PDT by DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis
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To: Notary Sojac

I appreciate your post but I don’t understand its relationship to my post about Obama following in Bush’s footsteps.


52 posted on 08/13/2010 10:15:04 AM PDT by REPANDPROUDOFIT (General, sir, it's ok to call me "ma'am"!)
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To: REPANDPROUDOFIT
I agree with you that Obama is following Bush's policy.

I disagree with you that it is the correct policy.

We are in Afghanistan with no real idea of what victory would look like, and no willingness to admit that the enemy is rooted in Pakistan and Saudi Arabia.

53 posted on 08/13/2010 10:20:59 AM PDT by Notary Sojac (I've been ionized, but I'm okay now.)
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To: DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis

:-))))


54 posted on 08/13/2010 10:34:40 AM PDT by left that other site (Your Mi'KMaq Paddy Whacky Bass Playing Biker Buddy)
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To: left that other site

Oh, the hugh manatee!


55 posted on 08/13/2010 10:59:54 AM PDT by DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis
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To: Danae

Everybody remain clam!


56 posted on 08/13/2010 11:03:00 AM PDT by DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis
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To: REPANDPROUDOFIT

Good post.


57 posted on 08/13/2010 12:41:58 PM PDT by 1035rep
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To: Notary Sojac

Agreed.


58 posted on 08/13/2010 12:54:29 PM PDT by Pining_4_TX
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To: DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis

Oh The Huge Manatee!






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59 posted on 08/13/2010 2:04:25 PM PDT by left that other site (Your Mi'KMaq Paddy Whacky Bass Playing Biker Buddy)
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To: 1035rep

Thanks!


60 posted on 08/13/2010 3:31:29 PM PDT by REPANDPROUDOFIT (General, sir, it's ok to call me "ma'am"!)
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