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Penn students, Amtrak offer contrasting plans for Northeast Corridor rail service
Philadelphia Inquirer ^ | Wednesday, August 11, 2010 | Paul Nussbaum

Posted on 08/11/2010 4:00:53 AM PDT by Willie Green

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Rep. John Mica (R., Fla.), top Republican on the Transportation Committee, criticized the administration for giving little of $8 billion in high-speed money to the Northeast.

"They practically ignored the region of the country where high-speed makes the most sense - the Northeast Corridor," he said. The corridor received $485 million, or 6 percent, of the stimulus funding.

And Mica, who wants to give private companies a chance to build and operate high-speed service in the Northeast, blamed Amtrak for doing too little to speed trains between Washington and Boston.

OpenSecrets.org reveals that John Mica is funded by the Airline Industry, and his real agenda is to obstruct development of any competitive passenger rail service.

1 posted on 08/11/2010 4:00:56 AM PDT by Willie Green
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To: Willie Green
It's probably true that HSR from Boston to Washington would work.

However, it would require entirely new, straight-line ROW from Newark to DC and from New Rochelle-Providence, and probably also from Providence to Back Bay.

Apart from costing trillions, this would require the displacement of the wealthiest and most influential people in this country, perhaps in the world.

Which means it will never happen.

Spending mere billions on the existing ROW is putting lipstick on a pig.

2 posted on 08/11/2010 4:06:07 AM PDT by Jim Noble (If the answer is "Republican", it must be a stupid question.)
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To: Willie Green

Has a cost/benefit analysis been done.

52 billion? In what, 1945 dollars?

LMAO!


3 posted on 08/11/2010 4:10:33 AM PDT by Travis T. OJustice (I can spell just fine, thanks, it's my typing that sucks.)
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To: Willie Green
Question for someone that knows,, in this time of terrorism, how hard is it to loosen and move a RR track at night?

Saraland, AL Train Wreck, Sept 1993, An Amtrak train jumped the tracks and plunged into a foggy bayou before daybreak today, trapping passengers in a submerged car and killing at least 26 people.

When the search was suspended because of darkness Wednesday night, 44 bodies had been pulled from the water and three crewmen who had been in the lead locomotive were counted among the dead. Six passengers were missing.

4 posted on 08/11/2010 4:18:07 AM PDT by MrPiper
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To: Willie Green

Currently, a SINGLE BRIDGE is being rebuilt on the line between New Haven and Providence that the contractor bid about 74 million to build (a “stimulus” job). The design sucks, so costs will easily run ovr a hundred million. It’s one of 5 simple bridges in that town, too. That’s a half a billion to cross ONE TOWN on the line. And these are just simple bridges over town roads, not any of the lift/bascule bridges that would be required over water.

Also, if it were to go a new route, it would not service the ridership that would be needed to justify such a massive pricetag. And the massive pricetag is far lower than what a realistic estimate would be.

As an engineer, and one who has worked on substantial AMTRAK projects on this corridor many times, this cost estimate is insanely low for construction costs alone, never mind design and oversight, as well as property acquisition that would drag out for decades.

Do people actually think this stuff through, or just print it and/or post it to make themselves look foolish?


5 posted on 08/11/2010 4:18:23 AM PDT by Travis T. OJustice (I can spell just fine, thanks, it's my typing that sucks.)
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To: MrPiper

With a little knowledge about how track operations are done, someone who wantd to derail a high speed train could sneak onto the track (very easy just about anywhere, and especially easy where the trains go the fastest) and clamp on a simple apparatus, run back to their vehicle, smoke a cigarette and be done with the whole thing in about 5 minutes.


6 posted on 08/11/2010 4:21:34 AM PDT by Travis T. OJustice (I can spell just fine, thanks, it's my typing that sucks.)
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To: Travis T. OJustice

High speed rail line between Philadelphia and New York City?

Why does the phrase “out of the frying pan, into the fire” come to mind?


7 posted on 08/11/2010 4:28:06 AM PDT by catman67
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To: Travis T. OJustice; Willie Green

Cost/benefit analysis or even paying for something isn’t necessary in Willie’s socialist utopia.


8 posted on 08/11/2010 4:32:46 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Willie Green
AMTRAK could not make the northeast corridor a high speed rail system without seriously using eminent domain to make the rights of way much wider than they are.

People have to remember that the railways here were built in the 1800’s and the cities and towns grew up around them.So they're pretty hemmed in.

9 posted on 08/11/2010 4:33:09 AM PDT by puppypusher
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To: Willie Green

Spending $52 billion to save 4 minutes! are they nuts, yes of course they are.


10 posted on 08/11/2010 4:33:46 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Willie Green
OpenSecrets.org reveals that John Mica is funded by the Airline Industry, and his real agenda is to obstruct development of any competitive passenger rail service.

So just like every person who is a climate change skeptic is funded by "Big Oil," every person who is a high-speed rail skeptic is funded by "Big Airlines?"

11 posted on 08/11/2010 4:37:01 AM PDT by Yo-Yo (Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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To: catman67

Who wants to go to Philly anymore anyway?


12 posted on 08/11/2010 4:37:12 AM PDT by rbg81 (When you see Obama, shout: "DO YOUR JOB!!")
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To: MrPiper
Question for someone that knows,, in this time of terrorism, how hard is it to loosen and move a RR track at night?

The technology to incorporate track continuity sensors into the train signal system has been around for a long time. But as with most safety related technology, there is industry resistance to spend the funds on such devices unless mandated. Freight railroads in particular would prefer to simply suffer occasional derailments rather than put forth the effort to maintain their track in mint condition.

Unfortunately, it is the unwary public who falls victim to such irresponsible and myopic corporate cost cutting.

13 posted on 08/11/2010 4:50:58 AM PDT by Willie Green ("Some people march to a different drummer - and some people polka.")
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To: Willie Green

Bring back the Eastern Air Shuttle. and get rid of the muzzies who want to hijack planes so one can arrive at the airport minutes before departure and buy a one way ticket on the plane after it takes off.


14 posted on 08/11/2010 4:56:02 AM PDT by Paladin2
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To: Willie Green

When people travel from Philadelphia to New York, do they ever come back?


15 posted on 08/11/2010 4:58:39 AM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... Greetings Jacques. The revolution is coming)
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To: puppypusher

Just to run another line from Detroit to Chicago would require eliminating 3 or 4 dozen small towns, maybe more. In almost all of those towns, the bulk of the downtown area is within a couple hundred feet of the existing line.


16 posted on 08/11/2010 4:58:45 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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"In 1961 Eastern inaugurated the Eastern Air Shuttle, featuring hourly flights of Lockheed Constellations and Electras between New York-LaGuardia, Washington, D.C.-National, and Boston-Logan airports.[citation needed]

The groundbreaking service emphasized convenience and simplicity—revolutionary in an era when air travel was both considered and expected to be a luxury. Not only were seat reservations not required, seat assignments were not given, and initially no check-in was required and no boarding passes were issued. Eastern guaranteed availability, however, and planes flew hourly whether empty or full. In the event of a full flight, Eastern simply added another aircraft. Jet airliners were added in 1967 and the shuttle became all-jet in 1978 with a fleet of dedicated Boeing 727s.[citation needed]

The shuttle proved one of Eastern's most successful ventures. Other airlines, including Pan American World Airways, eventually set up competing services.[citation needed]

17 posted on 08/11/2010 5:01:41 AM PDT by Paladin2
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To: Yo-Yo
So just like every person who is a climate change skeptic is funded by "Big Oil," every person who is a high-speed rail skeptic is funded by "Big Airlines?"

Well yes, I suppose that's technically true.

Climate change is real and always has been since the dawn of time.
If it weren't for global climate change, the Great Lakes would still be buried under the polar ice cap.
The fallacy in the Left Wing partisan rhetoric is that they ignore the fact that this is a natural trend, and blame it all on Man's activities.

However the American People need to wake up and understand... just because the Left Wing practices junk science, it doesn't mean that the Global Oil Parasites are telling the truth.

The Two Party System is broken.
They are flip sides of the same coin.
Both kowtow to special interests and neither represents the best interests of the American People.

Throw the bums out, no matter what party label they wear.

18 posted on 08/11/2010 5:08:32 AM PDT by Willie Green ("Some people march to a different drummer - and some people polka.")
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“This lack of designation shuts states along the NEC out of competing for . . . grant money available to other rail lines, and has already resulted in the NEC missing out on adequate funding for badly needed infrastructure upgrades and rail-expansion projects,” Castle, Sestak, Pascrell, and four other representatives said in a recent letter to House leaders. They asked for congressional hearings on high-speed rail development in the Northeast Corridor.

There you have it folks. “Grant money” spelled your money to be use for HSR in the northeast corridor. Great for the folks in the other 40 states, who will be paying and paying and paying, at the very time when we see why governments should NOT be involved in private enterprise. When the nation is broke, and cannot pay for present obligations, much less HSR, the morons in Congress press on, full speed ahead and damn the folks who will do the paying.


19 posted on 08/11/2010 5:14:08 AM PDT by wita
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To: Willie Green

SEPTA not running on Trenton line today. AMTRACK signalling problem.
Bottom line; GOOD LUCK GETTING TO WORK WITHOUT A CAR

This is reality; not a dream


20 posted on 08/11/2010 5:31:27 AM PDT by aumrl (let's keep it real Conservatives)
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