Posted on 08/06/2010 11:14:47 AM PDT by ConservativePsychProf
One woman here told me of her humiliation in childhood when her family was ejected from a swimming pool because her mother was veiled. I believed her. All stories of childhood humiliation sound alike and are told in the same way. It was perverse, she said to me, that she should be free to cover her head in an American university but not in a Turkish one. It seemed perverse to me as well. It would to any American; politically, we all descend from men and women persecuted for their faith. I was, I decided, on the side of these women.
But that was when I could still visit the neighborhood of Balat without being called a whore.
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But you or I walk around in that Halloween get up we’d be hauled away!
Burqua banning is can of worms best not opened, IMNSHO. If a woman WANTS to wear a symbol of persecution, and nobody is forcing her to do so at the threat of violence or death, whose business is it to stop her? In a truly free country, you are free to self-imprison if you so choose.
I agree, as long as they take the stupid thing off at the DMV and the airport.
Most muzzie women are so ugly, they should be covered up.
Burqa bans are entirely legitimate, and for one overriding reason. They are not religious in nature, but cultural. Nothing in the Koran demands the wearing of a burqa.
And, as a cultural artifact, the wearing of the burqa signifies only female abuse. It can be compared to the “cultural imperative” that women and children be beaten by husbands and fathers, “to demonstrate to them that they love them.”
Comparatively, the Biblical invective “He who spareth the rod hateth his son: but he that loveth him correcteth him betimes”, may be culturally associated with beating male children with rods, but the religious demand is for correction, not beating. So no religious relief there either, from the secular law.
Likewise, there is no Islamic justification for female circumcision, denying girls an education, restricting them to the house, forcible rape, arranged marriage, or murdering them when they have offended a male member of their family, or just whimsically.
If Muslims feel religiously oppressed by having to obey the secular standards of the country they live in, in most cases, they are free to return to the many Islamic nations where horrific cultural artifacts are part of the law.
And when they’re driving.
Oh, wait, they’re not supposed to drive.
Forget it. Make ‘em take it off. I WANT to discriminate against their “culture.” Better yet, I want to vaccinate against it...
Me too.
But I don’t think forcing them to take it off is a good idea. It will only embolden them.
Women need to be liberated from the burka. If they feel that they are being forced to remove it, it will lead them to embrace it.
Gotta win the battle of ideas. Hearts and minds, blah blah blah.
"The choice to cover one’s face is for many women a genuine expression of the most private kind of religious sentiment. To prevent them from doing so is discriminatory, persecutory, and incompatible with the Enlightenment traditions of the West. It is, moreover, cruel to demand of a woman that she reveal parts of her body that her sense of modesty compels her to cover; to such a woman, the demand is as tyrannical, humiliating, and arbitrary as the passage of a law dictating that women bare their breasts.
All true. And yet the burqa must be banned. All forms of veiling must be, if not banned, strongly discouraged and stigmatized. The arguments against a ban are coherent and principled. They are also shallow and insufficient. They fail to take something crucial into account, and that thing is this: If Europe does not stand up now against veiling — and the conception of women and their place in society that it represents — within a generation there will be many cities in Europe where no unveiled woman will walk comfortably or safely. "
The Burka defines you as One of Theirs.
Women who are not veiled are fair game for Them.
I have been posting this idea on FR for several years now.
It is a public safety issue.
Read Fjordman's posts on gatesofvienna.blogspot.com where he details the huge number of rapes in scandinavian countries by Muslim men on native Swedish and Norwegian women.
Great post!
Best article I’ve seen on the subject so far.
Thank you for posting this.
I cannot begin to describe how deeply this article resonates with me, having lived in a Middle Eastern country where womnen were veiled, and I was not.
But you just said “if a woman wants to”. If I lived in a house where my dad and brothers would kill me for insulting their honorif I didn’t wear one, I’d do it.
And the ladies who cry foul when they wear the burqa and are criticized, by teachers, society, etc, have short memories, or haven't read even recent history. They forget quickly it's recent past direct correlation with justification for women as property. She cries religious freedom and she has the freedom of that, ironic because it's because she has the freedom that she can speak boldly like that. If she had to wear the burqa (not chose to), would she be allowed to make a peep? Would she be so happy to be forced to cover and skip school and ask permission to go out? That's the reality of the burqa where it's use is mandated.
So true! I argued with the people on Samizdata about this and even mentioned the fact that many european women are FORCED to wear the veil in order not to be raped by these animals. The response was that something lame about policing-as if cops can or should be everywhere to protect the native born against rape. Sickening.
The burqua is the outward sign of the persecution that goes on in the home. Doubt me? Try giving a tap on the shoulder or even speaking to a woman in a burqua while she is in front of her husband. See if she is walking the next day. Muslim men have no problem beating a woman because they are not human, they are property and the burqua symbolizes this. An ant, is a dog, is a pig is a woman. Nothing more than a beast to be beaten when the mood strikes.
Banning the burqua is banning battery against women. Women who wear the burqua are telling every other woman that they are worthless and nothing more than dogs. They are an insult to their gender.
Criminals cover their faces don’t they? I don’t want to walk down the street or be in an area where I can’t see the persons face. If someone who has their face covered and comes at me agressivly I’m not taking any chances thank you very much.
Strongly encourage the remaining ones who haven't yet obtained citizenship to leave post haste, preferably at bayonet point.
Read the rest of my post and try again.
They are not religious in nature, but cultural. Nothing in the Koran demands the wearing of a burqa.Thanks yefragetuwrabrumuy.
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