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Chinese missile could shift Pacific power balance
AP via Yahoo News ^ | 8/ 05/10 | ERIC TALMADGE

Posted on 08/06/2010 11:07:57 AM PDT by starczar66

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"...Funded by annual double-digit increases in the defense budget for almost every year of the past two decades, the Chinese navy has become Asia's largest and has expanded beyond its traditional mission of retaking Taiwan to push its sphere of influence deeper into the Pacific and protect vital maritime trade routes..."

The Dollar Tree has come at a high price...

1 posted on 08/06/2010 11:07:59 AM PDT by starczar66
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To: starczar66

"Good...good..that should be enough to pay for my mansion and an A-list wedding for Chelsea."
2 posted on 08/06/2010 11:11:59 AM PDT by BenLurkin (Will must be the harder, courage the bolder, spirit must be the more, as our might lessens.)
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Yes. Let us remind people who gave China the technology to make their missles accurate.

Not to mention over the OBJECTIONS of *everyone* even in his OWN Whitehouse.

The CEO or Laurel, at the time biggest Donor to Democrats, got that personally approved by Clinton.

Here we are.

Any Patriots left to have courage to regurgitate that story on National TV? Or are we back to Clinton-Scandal-Fatigue?


3 posted on 08/06/2010 11:15:05 AM PDT by True_Kon
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To: True_Kon

You mean LORAL, yes?


4 posted on 08/06/2010 11:17:01 AM PDT by BenLurkin (Will must be the harder, courage the bolder, spirit must be the more, as our might lessens.)
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To: BenLurkin

Yes. Sorry for misspelling it.


5 posted on 08/06/2010 11:19:40 AM PDT by True_Kon
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To: starczar66
Mach 10 is pretty fast....but not as fast as the 186,000 miles/second counter-weapon the Navy just tested.
6 posted on 08/06/2010 11:22:24 AM PDT by Prokopton
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To: starczar66

This latest Long Dong is supposed to be a derivative of their JL-1. Their first solid-fuel, submarine-launched ballistic missile. Here a mobile, land-based version with a mysterious, conventionally-armed, maneuvering-warhead that is equipped with a guidance system that enables it to hit a moving vessel. In other words, a smart ballistically-launched carrier-killer.

I still can’t find any information in any depth on how this guidance system is supposed to work but I gather it is a GPS-derived system that uses a network of satellites and shore-based radar continually and rapidly updating its targeting coordinates.

If anyone out there knows any further details, prease to enlighten this lowly one.


7 posted on 08/06/2010 11:23:08 AM PDT by sinanju
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To: starczar66
Our friends and trading partners....the Chinese.

Congress for decades have worshiped the almighty dollar in exchange for policy favorable to corporate America.

Go ahead, ship all the jobs overseas, evade worker safety regulation, skirt environmental safe guards, pay the workers slave wages....all to enrich the greedy.

To hell with the American standard of living, to hell with the American worker, to hell with the country of your birth.

Just so long as the bottom line increases.

The globalist have perverted capitalism to the tenth degree.

Shame on you who have harmed your nation and put us in jeopardy as a nation.

How could you allow the communist to gain such advantages in technology, trade, manufacturing capabilities, military, financial to name a few.

Do you not care about your country?

Shame on you.

8 posted on 08/06/2010 11:30:12 AM PDT by servantboy777
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[. . .a nuclear bomb could theoretically sink a carrier, assuming its user was willing to raise the stakes to atomic levels, the conventionally-armed Dong Feng 21D’s uniqueness is in its ability to hit a powerfully defended moving target with pin-point precision.]

If the Chinese sink a U.S. carrier in international waters the Dong Feng 21D will become irrelevant the same day.

9 posted on 08/06/2010 11:32:24 AM PDT by Brad from Tennessee (A politician can't give you anything he hasn't first stolen from you.)
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The Navy just tested a new laser weapon that works. A supplement to the Phalanx


10 posted on 08/06/2010 11:38:17 AM PDT by nuke rocketeer (File CONGRESS.SYS corrupted: Re-boot Washington D.C (Y/N)?)
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Wow it’s all over the news. All fear factor? Is it sea skimming mach 10 below 150 feet?


11 posted on 08/06/2010 11:38:51 AM PDT by hamboy
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Nope. It’s a Ballistic Missile. That means it goes up, up, up into near-space, then the warhead detaches, flies suborbital, then comes screaming down at multiple machs.

This is the world’s first smart ballistic missile that can hit a moving target.

I’m pretty sure there are a few GPS-guided ballistic missiles out there but none that can hit a moving ship.


12 posted on 08/06/2010 11:43:25 AM PDT by sinanju
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To: Brad from Tennessee
If the Chinese sink a U.S. carrier in international waters the Dong Feng 21D will become irrelevant the same day.

You are assuming the the commander in chief has the balls to do anything about it. With this present administration, I seriously doubt that any action would be taken.

13 posted on 08/06/2010 11:44:26 AM PDT by NY Attitude (Make love not war but be prepared for either.)
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With the Increase hostility of rogue nation and increased accuracy of cruise missles. Maybe It is time the Super Carrier Fades from dominance like the Battleship.

For each successful attack we would lose 1/10 of our Carrier task force. Lot of power in one very small basket.

So I would assume the calcution would go like. Okay maybe they can shoot down one missle but how about five or ten. At somepoint due to volume/timing the Carrier group will not be able to keep up.


14 posted on 08/06/2010 11:46:22 AM PDT by Bailee
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To: starczar66

The “Radar Horizon” for a 60ft high radar vs a 10m skimming missile is ~ 31 km. (calc taken from http://www.radarproblems.com/calculators/horizon.htm)

A mach 10 sea-skimming hypersonic missile - assuming there really is such a thing - moves at ~ 3000 m/s.

Assuming that the missile is engaging the radar-ship, not a ship inside a fleet perimeter - that’s 10 seconds to get a weapon pointing in approximately the right direction.

Which is doable. It may not be possible to completely stop an M10 threat fron scratching the paintwork, but a powerful enough SeaRAM-like system can lock on and put down a barrage to stop it from achieving a ship-kill.

And that’s just the perimeter ship. The impact of M10 missiles in Naval strategy would lead to an extended fleet doctrine with the carrier protected by more hulls. Maybe even barrage hulls, seeing as an M10 missile is going to steer like a pig. Maybe even protect the carrier with a bodyguard of container ships.

So IMO defense is certainly doable.

Also: this has got to be a ballistic missile, surely? The launch would be visible from space, and laser-interceptable during boost phase?


15 posted on 08/06/2010 11:47:13 AM PDT by agere_contra (...what if we won't eat the dog food?)
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To: nuke rocketeer

The USN has tested and deployed the SM-3. It is available for use on Aegis class destroyers and cruisers. It is capable of intercepting ballistic missiles.


16 posted on 08/06/2010 11:47:55 AM PDT by Little Ray (The Gods of the Copybook Headings with terror and slaughter return!)
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To: servantboy777

You know that Clinton gave the Chinese the requisite guidance tech, right? He betrayed your country in exchange for money.

It wasn’t Walmart.


17 posted on 08/06/2010 11:50:56 AM PDT by agere_contra (...what if we won't eat the dog food?)
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To: starczar66

Laser CIWS

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2180254/posts


18 posted on 08/06/2010 11:57:47 AM PDT by Sax
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This has been popping up all over the place today. However, no one mentions that you have to FIND the carrier battle group first! During wartime that is no easy task...
19 posted on 08/06/2010 12:07:49 PM PDT by aegiscg47
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....it goes up, up, up into near-space, then the warhead detaches, flies suborbital, then comes screaming down at multiple machs.

The new chicom anti-ship ballistic missile will probably melt before hitting its target.

20 posted on 08/06/2010 12:07:56 PM PDT by hamboy
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