Posted on 08/03/2010 4:25:32 PM PDT by neverdem
Lead, for centuries the core ingredient of ammunition, is now coming under attack itself.
As the American military begins to embrace “green bullets,” environmental groups are pushing state and federal officials to ban the use of lead in hunters’ guns and fishermen’s tackle.
Their goal is to protect both the animals that scavenge the carcasses of hunted prey and the people who consume meat from hunting expeditions.
On Tuesday, the Center for Biological Diversity and the American Bird Conservancy plan to file a petition with the Environmental Protection Agency seeking a comprehensive nationwide ban on lead-based sporting ammunition and fishing tackle.
The petitioners argue that “it is now incontrovertible fact” that lead fragments in the bodies of animals shot with lead bullets or lead pellets are “a serious source of lead exposure to scavenging animals” and a health risk to humans who eat hunters’ kills.
Scientists have found that chronic lead poisoning in birds leads to “appetite loss, anemia, anorexia, reproductive or neurological impairment, immune suppression, weakness, and susceptibility to predation and starvation,” the petition said.
Lead’s toxicity has long been known, and most of the uses that led to human exposure, like the manufacture of lead paint, have been banned for decades. Lead ammunition consumed only about 3 percent of the 6.4 million tons of...
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“If we had to show major population-level effects on many species to evaluate anything that caused ecological harm, we’d never ban anything,” he said.
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Ammunition manufacturers have long experimented with alternatives to traditional bullets. Bullets made from copper, bismuth and various alloys have been under development for 20 years or more. In June, the Army announced that it was shipping one million rounds of a new 5.56-mm lead-free cartridge that had been in development for a decade to its troops in Afghanistan...
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Most homes in US cities do receive their water through lead piping and have for more than a century.
That you are ignorant of this simply makes you educable.
That you are too stupid to educate yourself...well that’s a problem only you can resolve.
That you are too lazy to educate yourself...
You get where this is going, no?
I am a civil engineer. I deal in facts. I have an education in this sort of stuff. You are simply wrong. The facts are absolutely not on your side.
Very very few homes in the USA have lead piping. Almost none, actually.
The fact you can’t back up your argument (the search provided nothing to back up your claim in any way, and yes, I checked) doesn’t bode well for not only your bogus premise, but the childish way you are going abut trying to maintain your incorrect premise.
Your attitude is disgusting, by the way. Even more so than your obvious ignorance in the topic, which is retty bad.
Just to make sure I’m correct, I’ve conducted more research into lead pipe water service, and as I figured, I am correct.
While there are slightly more than “almost none” lead water pipe services, there is absolutely zero evidence to back up ignorant claims like “Most homes in US cities do receive their water through lead piping and have for more than a century.” That’s just dumb.
As a ret. utilities worker I can tell you that many cities
do not will not comply with the 1976 water laws,,,
My own service was lead pipe,,,
The gas co. nicked it while they were installing a poly
gas line,,,
I threw a fit,,,
They had uncovered that lead line years before when a 66”
transmission main was installed,,,
I told the crew that I would/could replace it myself if
the work was not done in 5 days and then I called for
locations,,,Meet and confer,,,Then called the rental yard,,
They were there 3 days later and pulled a “splitter” through
and pulled the copper with it,,,
The guys on the crew told me that None of the old lines
in the City of Shreveport,La. had been replaced,,,
Any home built before 1940 most likley has a lead line
from the the main to the meter,,,
Then there's the backflow preventers on the connections of
Cemeteries...
Yeah, i’m naot arguing that there are SOME, but not MOST like the other guy said. It also depends on what part of the country you’re in, too.
I’d also disagree with your “Any home built before 1940 most likley has a lead line from the the main to the meter,” as i know this was not common practice in most cities.
Try NYC, Chicago, Boston, etc. These plumbing codes originally required lead water services - it's malleable, strong and carries water well. During the 30s that changed, but you'd have lead solder until around the 80s.
Search on "orthophosphate" for more information.
My purpose wasn't to publicly humiliate you, just to educate.
Almost none, actually.
Freepmail me when you're coming to New York City, Chicago or another big city. I'll arrange a demonstration for you from a local plumber. Or just go to any plumbing website where plumbers post and ask one from a big city.
That will settle it.
Lead isn't really that dangerous. The fact that it has been used throughout history, here in America and still is used in many homes as their main water service is proof of that.
Yep.
You didn’t humiliate me, because you haven’t proven your point, and you can’t because you are wrong. Bigtime.
I am not humiliating you.
You are humiliating yourself. I am completely correct, both the facts and history are on my side. Are you interested in learning or do you know too much already?
I can drive you to thousands of homes with lead water services right now.
Where do you live?
I’ll just let you think you’re so smart. You go on with your smug 0bama-style attitude and not know what you’re talking about.
Later!
Dope.
Mr. OJustice, I am not smart. In this case I am simply correct.
I know you wrote “dope”, but I am not familiar with the vernacular and this appeared to me at first glance to be simple gibberish. As when you are typing quickly and accidentally tap the wrong keys on your QWERTY keyboard.
Intrigued, and being scientifically minded, I immediately examined my own personal QWERTY keyboard and found it nearly improbable that you’d typed it accidentally. The movement from d to o-p-e with the human hand is completely unnatural. Just banging away at the keyboard in a fit of apoplexy* wouldn’t do the trick.
Upon further reflection, I suspected it might be some sort of urban slang, like the city kids speak - “neat”, “hip”, “dandy”, “And all that jazz”, et cetera.
So I used the Internet to look it up and, well, thanks, awesome is the word!
Dope to you my man! (did I do that right, dude?)
*A sudden deprivation of all sense and voluntary motion, occasioned by repletion or whatever interrupts the action of the nerves upon the muscles.
OK, I see your lack education in other areas as well. I’ll try to keep this simple, as it’s obvious that’s necessary in your case.
Lets see some statistics backing up your assertion. I looked for them, and what I found in no way backs up your idiotic claim.
Post your evidence. Post something that shows the majority of residential water service lines installed in the last century are lead pipe. That’s less than what you claim, so i’ve even lowered the bar for you to meet your claim. Let’s see if you are up to the task. Evidence. You know, text, links, numbers, charts, graphs, etc. Not your continued blather and bogus conjecture.
If you do that, I will apologize to you. If you cannot do that, you can simply skulk back under your rock of ignorance without the apology.
LOL.
So, no evidence to support your spurious claim? Didn’t think so.
You’ve presented no evidence at all, at least not what I’d expect of a CE who works with facts.
Prove that there are not lead services in homes in US cities.
It is that simple.
You have claimed that the majority of homes in the USA have lead pipes for water service, especially in the last century. I called your claim bogus (because it is), and asked you to back it up. You haven’t.
Back up your initial claim, or slither off.
It is that simple. YOU made a claim, back it up. I’m about sick of your childish bullcrap. Put it up or shut up and be known for the fraud you are, troll.
You have claimed that the majority of homes in the USA have lead pipes for water service, especially in the last century. I called your claim bogus (because it is), and asked you to back it up. You haven’t.
Back up your initial claim, or slither off.
It is that simple. YOU made a claim, back it up. I’m about sick of your childish bullcrap. Put it up or shut up and be known for the fraud you are, troll.
TT, I’m certain you’re not a cretin in real life.
It is hard to admit you’re wrong. Lead services were the norm across United States cities until that began to change mid-last century and new services went copper. Slowly removing lead services, but most every house with its original water service is still lead. That fellow from Shreveport told you as much.
Nonetheless, I am letting you off the hook. You’re brilliant and you’re right. I made the whole thing up so people would think I knew something and would look smart. You caught me.
You and I are getting no where by just lengthening this thread. Just call a plumber in your home town and ask him yerself.
I see you fail. you cannot back up you assertion.
lol.
you lose.
later, troll.
One of the divisions of the company i work for does residential water service work for a regional water authority. This overs many town, including a failry large New England city.
I started making my own lead fishing sinkers years ago, and asked the crews who do the water service if they ever ran across any lead to let me have it, and to date, i’ve never gotten a single ounc of lead. They brink back tons of scrap copper, galvanized pipe, etc., but never any lead.
Strange.
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