[Captain Kirk]

I suppose we are “winning” if your goal is to solidify the control of Iraq’s Shi’ite pro-Iran (increasingly Sadr friendly)regime.

[jpf]

No I was thinking more about the way our military pounded Al Queda Iraq and the other insurgents into dust.

Leaving while we are winning does not imply that we have “won”. We have failed to follow our military victories with requisite political victories, that is true. All the more reason not leave.