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To: Will88
the people who have fled from communism (Cuban, east European, Vietnamese are generally conservative. Teaching a group to love and appreciate this county CAN be done and it must be done

I see Hispanics over time as more “conservative” than blacks - don't you? Compared to the poverty and hopelessness in Central America, the “black struggle” has become a fairy tale lived by a past generation. All they have to do is look around. Don't know how much longer the old obscenely wealthy race pimps like Sharpton Jackson obama et al can keep it going.

Our best hope of countering the obamite goal of creating ever more govt dependency- is to make this happen

77 posted on 08/02/2010 7:11:05 AM PDT by silverleaf (Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.)
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To: silverleaf

Pipe dreams. The only thing that can be done is to set out to really enforce existing laws and close the border. No bennies and no anchor babies.

We need as many of them to go home as possible and deport who we can.

Then we decide what to do. The left isn’t going away because of an election. The next president, if GOP, will have a worse time of it than Bush.


86 posted on 08/02/2010 7:19:36 AM PDT by dforest
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To: silverleaf
I see Hispanics over time as more “conservative” than blacks - don't you? Compared to the poverty and hopelessness in Central America, the “black struggle” has become a fairy tale lived by a past generation. All they have to do is look around. Don't know how much longer the old obscenely wealthy race pimps like Sharpton Jackson obama et al can keep it going.

Hispanic Family Values? Runaway illegitimacy is creating a new U.S. underclass.

"Unless the life chances of children raised by single mothers suddenly improve, the explosive growth of the U.S. Hispanic population over the next couple of decades does not bode well for American social stability. Hispanic immigrants bring near–Third World levels of fertility to America, coupled with what were once thought to be First World levels of illegitimacy. (In fact, family breakdown is higher in many Hispanic countries than here.) Nearly half of the children born to Hispanic mothers in the U.S. are born out of wedlock, a proportion that has been increasing rapidly with no signs of slowing down. Given what psychologists and sociologists now know about the much higher likelihood of social pathology among those who grow up in single-mother households, the Hispanic baby boom is certain to produce more juvenile delinquents, more school failure, more welfare use, and more teen pregnancy in the future."

The government social-services sector has already latched onto this new client base; as the Hispanic population expands, so will the demands for a larger welfare state. Since conservative open-borders advocates have yet to acknowledge the facts of Hispanic family breakdown, there is no way to know what their solution to it is. But they had better come up with one quickly, because the problem is here—and growing.

The dimensions of the Hispanic baby boom are startling. The Hispanic birthrate is twice as high as that of the rest of the American population. That high fertility rate—even more than unbounded levels of immigration—will fuel the rapid Hispanic population boom in the coming decades. By 2050, the Latino population will have tripled, the Census Bureau projects. One in four Americans will be Hispanic by mid-century, twice the current ratio. In states such as California and Texas, Hispanics will be in the clear majority. Nationally, whites will drop from near 70 percent of the total population in 2000 to just half by 2050. Hispanics will account for 46 percent of the nation’s added population over the next two decades, the Pew Hispanic Center reports.

But it’s the fertility surge among unwed Hispanics that should worry policymakers. Hispanic women have the highest unmarried birthrate in the country—over three times that of whites and Asians, and nearly one and a half times that of black women, according to the Centers for Disease Control. Every 1,000 unmarried Hispanic women bore 92 children in 2003 (the latest year for which data exist), compared with 28 children for every 1,000 unmarried white women, 22 for every 1,000 unmarried Asian women, and 66 for every 1,000 unmarried black women. Forty-five percent of all Hispanic births occur outside of marriage, compared with 24 percent of white births and 15 percent of Asian births. Only the percentage of black out-of-wedlock births—68 percent—exceeds the Hispanic rate. But the black population is not going to triple over the next few decades.

As if the unmarried Hispanic birthrate weren’t worrisome enough, it is increasing faster than among other groups. It jumped 5 percent from 2002 to 2003, whereas the rate for other unmarried women remained flat. Couple the high and increasing illegitimacy rate of Hispanics with their higher overall fertility rate, and you have a recipe for unstoppable family breakdown.

The only bright news in this demographic disaster story concerns teen births. Overall teen childbearing in the U.S. declined for the 12th year in a row in 2003, having dropped by more than a third since 1991. Yet even here, Hispanics remain a cause for concern. The rate of childbirth for Mexican teenagers, who come from by far the largest and fastest-growing immigrant population, greatly outstrips every other group. The Mexican teen birthrate is 93 births per every 1,000 girls, compared with 27 births for every 1,000 white girls, 17 births for every 1,000 Asian girls, and 65 births for every 1,000 black girls. To put these numbers into international perspective, Japan’s teen birthrate is 3.9, Italy’s is 6.9, and France’s is 10. Even though the outsize U.S. teen birthrate is dropping, it continues to inflict unnecessary costs on the country, to which Hispanics contribute disproportionately."

94 posted on 08/02/2010 7:29:56 AM PDT by kabar
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To: silverleaf
I see Hispanics over time as more “conservative” than blacks - don't you?

They are already more conservative than blacks. Republicans get about 30% of the Hispanic vote compared to <10% of the black vote. But that Hispanic vote is coming mostly from well established Hispanics who've been in the US for many generations.

The more recent arrivals vote heavily Dim, and the more that are legalized, the more illegals who will follow them and after a very few decades an open borders situation will have been created.

It is beyond absurd to try to out-pander the Dims by supporting ANOTHER amnesty, that will doubtless be followed by another one as the more illegals who are given citizenship, the greater will be the pressure to not enforce immigration law, and to allow higher and higher legal immigration. That's a part of the "fix our broken immigration system": higher and higher numbers of legal immigrants and higher numbers of work permits, so that anyone who wants to can come to the US legally, thus, no more illegal immigration. Just legalize everything..

Try to out-pander the Dims and you play right into their hands, and will give them voting majorities for several generations to come, if not permanently.

Republicans should appeal to all voters with the same message. Anything else will just increase the vote for the Dims.

131 posted on 08/02/2010 8:59:21 AM PDT by Will88
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