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To: Mr Rogers

The United States from the very beginning believed that citizenship was passed by the parents. Birth on American soil was not enough to be a American citizen. A Natural Born citizen was someone who was born to parents who were citizens and needed no law or code to grant them citizenship. Some countries granted citizenship to anyone born on their soil , America was not one of them. Some people are confused and think that the 14th.amendment grants citizenship to anyone born here,no. To be a citizen under the 14th. It still requires that you be born with allegiance to the country.(Wong KIm Ark) . obama is not a natural born citizen and is not the legal President of the U.S.


287 posted on 07/29/2010 2:19:20 PM PDT by omegadawn (qualified)
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To: omegadawn

“The United States from the very beginning believed that citizenship was passed by the parents.”

Absolutely not true.

“It is an established maxim that birth is a criterion of allegiance. Birth however derives its force sometimes from place and sometimes from parentage, but in general place is the most certain criterion; it is what applies in the United States; it will therefore be unnecessary to investigate any other.” - James Madison, 1789

“It is an established maxim, received by all political writers, that every person owes a natural allegiance to the government of that country in which he is born...The children of aliens, born in this state, are considered as natural born subjects, and have the same rights with the rest of the citizens.” - Zephaniah Swift, A system of the laws of the state of Connecticut 1795

You write, “A Natural Born citizen was someone who was born to parents who were citizens and needed no law or code to grant them citizenship.”

You determined this how? The Supreme Court has disagreed, saying we have to look at the meaning of natural born subject in common law to understand what natural born citizen means.

“That provision in the constitution which requires that the president shall be a native-born citizen (unless he were a citizen of the United States when the constitution was adopted) is a happy means of security against foreign influence,…A very respectable political writer makes the following pertinent remarks upon this subject. “Prior to the adoption of the constitution, the people inhabiting the different states might be divided into two classes: natural born citizens, or those born within the state, and aliens, or such as were born out of it.” - BLACKSTONE’S COMMENTARIES (1803)


288 posted on 07/29/2010 2:27:57 PM PDT by Mr Rogers (When the ass brays, don't reply...)
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To: omegadawn

The United States from the very beginning believed that citizenship was passed by the parents. Birth on American soil was not enough to be a American citizen. A Natural Born citizen was someone who was born to parents who were citizens and needed no law or code to grant them citizenship. Some countries granted citizenship to anyone born on their soil , America was not one of them. Some people are confused and think that the 14th.amendment grants citizenship to anyone born here,no. To be a citizen under the 14th. It still requires that you be born with allegiance to the country.(Wong KIm Ark) . obama is not a natural born citizen and is not the legal President of the U.S.


US Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia disagrees with you.
He argued very forcefully in an Immigration and Naturalization Service lawsuit that reached oral arguments at the US Supreme Court that natural born citizenship status requires “jus soli” (birth in a nation). Justice Scalia never once mentioned “jus sanguinis” in his argument.
http://www.oyez.org/cases/2000-2009/2000/2000_99_2071/argument

Justice Scalia: … I mean, isn’t it clear that the natural born requirement in the Constitution was intended explicitly to exclude some Englishmen who had come here and spent some time here and then went back and raised their families in England?

They did not want that.

They wanted natural born Americans.

[Ms.]. Davis: Yes, by the same token…

Justice Scalia: That is jus soli, isn’t it?

[Ms.] Davis: By the same token, one could say that the provision would apply now to ensure that Congress can’t apply suspect classifications to keep certain individuals from aspiring to those offices.

Justice Scalia: Well, maybe.

I’m just referring to the meaning of natural born within the Constitution.

I don’t think you’re disagreeing.

It requires jus soli, doesn’t it?”


And with specific regard to Barark Obama, the Indiana Court of Appeals ruled that parents have no impact on the natural born status of a person born in the US.

“Based upon the language of Article II, Section 1, Clause 4 and the guidance provided by [the Supreme Court of the United States in their 1898 decision in the case of U.S. v.] Wong Kim Ark, we conclude that persons born within the borders of the United States are “natural born Citizens” for Article II, Section 1 purposes, regardless of the citizenship of their parents. Just as a person “born within the British dominions [was] a natural-born British subject” at the time of the framing of the U.S. Constitution, so too were those “born in the allegiance of the United States natural-born citizens.”—Indiana Court of Appeals, “Ankeny et. al. v The Governor of Indiana, Mitch Daniels,” Nov. 12, 2009


294 posted on 07/29/2010 2:40:59 PM PDT by jamese777
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