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U.S. Releases Rules on For-Profit Colleges
New York Times ^ | July 23, 2010 | Tamar Lewin

Posted on 07/23/2010 7:34:22 AM PDT by reaganaut1

The Obama administration on Thursday released its controversial proposed regulations to end federal student aid to for-profit colleges whose graduates do not earn enough to repay their loans.

Since most for-profit programs get the vast majority of their revenues from federal student aid, the regulations could effectively shut down the programs whose students have the most debt and the least likelihood of finding good jobs.

The for-profit colleges have lobbied strongly against the new “gainful employment” regulations. And in a statement Thursday evening, the Career College Association, which represents the colleges, called the proposed regulations “unwise, unnecessary, unproven” and said they were likely to harm students, employers, institutions and taxpayers. The Department of Education estimates that the rules would cut off federal aid to about 5 percent of for-profit college programs, representing about 8 percent of students, and that about 55 percent of the programs would be required to warn applicants and students that they may have trouble repaying their loans.

The coalition of education groups, student groups and consumer groups that have pushed for stronger regulations said they were glad to have regulations proposed in time to go into effect next year — but not impressed with their toughness.

“We are particularly concerned that programs could continue to profit from federal student aid when half their students with loans can’t afford to pay the principal,” said Pauline Abernathy, vice president of the Institute for College Access and Success.

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Extended News; Government
KEYWORDS: college; forprofitcolleges
Why not apply these rules to all colleges, not just the "for-profit" ones? Maybe apply them by college department, so that if the sociology majors are deadbeats they get cut off.

I bet loan repayment rates are correlated with academic achievement before entering college, as measured by grades and SAT/ACT scores. Subsidized loans should not be extended to weak students. This would have a "disparate impact". Tough.

1 posted on 07/23/2010 7:34:23 AM PDT by reaganaut1
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To: reaganaut1

Dang! These people have their NOSE in everything, don’t they?


2 posted on 07/23/2010 7:35:19 AM PDT by Cricket24 (Conservatives Only...NO RINO'S!!!!!!!!!!)
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To: reaganaut1
WOW, something I finally agree with Obama. Yes no student loans should be given to people majoring in silly liberal arts majors where it is almost certain that they are not going to find a good enough paying job to pay for student loans in timely manner.

These rules should also apply to state colleges and univesities and not just the private ones.

3 posted on 07/23/2010 7:38:41 AM PDT by jveritas (God bless our brave troops)
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Why are “Queer Studies” majors being brought into universities? I would think a “Queer Studies” major would not only pay nothing, it would require getting AIDS as a homework assignment.


4 posted on 07/23/2010 7:47:09 AM PDT by ConservativeMind (The NAACP is a bunch of cracker-hating bigots and I condemn the NAACP for being a racist element.)
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To: reaganaut1

Now we see the results of 0bama’s takeover of the student loan business. If Barry controls the money he can dictate what you study!!! Since the only jobs he seems to be interested in are teachers and the NEA, guess who gets the financial aid. Why are we not up in arms about this!!!!


5 posted on 07/23/2010 8:00:14 AM PDT by YankeeReb
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Any major with the word “Studies” at the end of it usually pays nothing unless you go into academia. Will our kenyan overlord deprive all those Black Studies majors of their funding? Lord knows there’s a shortage of those professors in the country.


6 posted on 07/23/2010 8:03:32 AM PDT by YankeeReb
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To: jveritas

“Yes no student loans should be given to people majoring in silly liberal arts majors where it is almost certain that they are not going to find a good enough paying job to pay for student loans in timely manner.”

Exactly! You go to a public university for four years, get a liberal arts degree and you are qualified to work as a manager in the fast food industry which will barely pay you enough to live, much less pay back a student loan.

But, I bet those stupid “liberal arts” degrees are exempt from this consideration!

This is nothing more than Obama’s attempt to affect/set pay-rates in the “free market.” If he can get people to demand higher pay for their “degree” then he gets it both ways - limit for-profits and force the markets to pay more than they can afford! Which will cause (like ALWAYS) “unintended” consequences!


7 posted on 07/23/2010 8:07:19 AM PDT by ExTxMarine (Hey Congress: Go Conservative or Go home!)
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To: jveritas

There isnt any guarantee that a law graduate can pay back loans. Sounds a little communist to me to tell people what they can/cant major in.


8 posted on 07/23/2010 8:10:01 AM PDT by goseminoles
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Oh please stop this total bull shit. Why should taxpayers give a loan to some fool who decides to go into a liberal arts major knowing very well that this stupid degree is not not going get him or her a good paying job to pay the student loan. What you are advocating is taking money from the tax payers and give it to a parasite student, you are the one advocating communism.
9 posted on 07/23/2010 8:28:54 AM PDT by jveritas (God bless our brave troops)
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To: goseminoles
There isnt any guarantee that a law graduate can pay back loans.

Especially if they go to FSU. ;)

10 posted on 07/23/2010 8:30:34 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: reaganaut1

There is a much simpler way to approach this; only provide student loans to students pursuing degrees for identified employment shortfalls (e.g., nursing, engineering, compurter programming, plumbing etc.). I know this would destroy the liberal arts colleges, but what the heck, do you want somebody to fix your car or recite poetry to you?


11 posted on 07/23/2010 8:34:46 AM PDT by equalitybeforethelaw
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My nephew just graduated from The Peabody Institute of Johns Hopkins with a degree in “Voice”. He’s getting ready to start graduate work at NYU in “Vocal Performance/Musical Theatre”. He is currently 100K in debt and his father tells me grad school may double that. Well there’s a house he’s going to have paid for that he’ll never live in.


12 posted on 07/23/2010 8:43:33 AM PDT by the_devils_advocate_666
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Just a few questions to help me understand. What is Harvard, Yale, Berkley and just name a few for-profit schools? I thought they were all for-profit with loads of foundation support from the very rich. Thanks.

I went to the univ of USMC at San Diego when I was 16 y.o.

Semper Fi.

13 posted on 07/23/2010 8:52:14 AM PDT by Pit1 (Not illegal immigrants. They are CRIMINAL BORDER CROSSERS.)
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Mixed feelings here. I hate to see Obama control what can be studied and what can’t be studied. Considering how the student loan program itself has inflated the cost of college almost EVERYBODY needs student loans these days. Also if you try to “work your way” through college you’ll find your courses expiring before you can manage to earn enough to graduate. Also, I don’t blame students who go into liberal arts majors that don’t pay as much as I blame high school and college professors who promote the “do anything” and “be anything” fantasy. On the other hand no one knows what future job markets demand. I remember when there was a glut of MBAs and lots of unemployed MBAs after it was the hottest degree around in the 80s.


14 posted on 07/23/2010 8:52:34 AM PDT by rhombus
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To: jveritas
Hillsdale College foretold this years ago, when it dropped acceptance of ANY government money (even to the point of not accepting gov guaranteed loans), just so they wouldn't have to fit within the government's rules (right or wrong). The catalyst at that point was (I believe) enrollment quotas. But the handwriting was on the wall. Hillsdale wasn't against the enrollments of minorities (they'd been graduating blacks from BEFORE the Civil War), but against government intervention. They've prospered, even with (or possibly because of) that decision.
15 posted on 07/23/2010 9:24:14 AM PDT by blues-train (blues train)
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Ouch! LOL!


16 posted on 07/23/2010 9:32:21 AM PDT by goseminoles
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Why should taxpayers give a loan to some fool who decides to go into a liberal arts major

You're all arguing the wrong point. Taxpayers shouldn't be giving loans at all. Banks should issue college loans and decide for themselves -- based on credit-worthiness and potential future earnings -- if it's a good risk.

Making up government regulations that some of you like and some of us don't is not the answer.

17 posted on 07/23/2010 9:33:37 AM PDT by BfloGuy (It is not from the benevolence of the butcher, the brewer, or the baker, that we can expect . . .)
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The fact is that education is already available free—via public schools through the 12th grade, the local public library, and the Internet. Connections, vocational training and somewhat iffy educational certification are available for a fee from colleges and universities.


18 posted on 07/23/2010 9:37:54 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: reaganaut1

They are going after places like DeVry, that cost about 2K per semester and actually has degrees that will help you get a job, like Engineering Technology, rather than some 30K liberal arts college that will give you a useless degree in ‘feminist studies’?


19 posted on 07/23/2010 9:58:32 AM PDT by sportutegrl (Department of Redundancy Department)
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