If you have never attended a Tridentine Mass you are far younger than I or a once indifferent Catholic or a convert. You may well be a Catholic today but I find most curious the notion that B-XVI's alleged "silence" in the face of Castrillon de Hoyos's brazen attempt WITHOUT AUTHORITY to ignore the PAPAL ecclesiastical judgment of John Paul II (the pope that the Lefebvrites most love to hate because he excommunicated and declared schismatic their anti-papal and anti-Catholic heroes in schism) especially since B-XVI himself, as Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger, joined with John Paul II in excommunicating the virulently defiant SSPX bishops and their adherents in 1982 as they had stolen the power to consecrate bishops in DIRECT DISOBEDIENCE to JP II.
That B-XVI has not seen fit to publicly comment on Rembert Weakland's homosexual abuse of seminarians while Archbishop of Milwaukee does not suggest papal approval of such behavior.
No one whomsoever in SSPX has any authority whatsoever to grant faculties to priests (ordaining them illicitly is one thing and granting faculties quite another/ask any suspended priest) and yet the SSPX miscreants hear non-emergency confessions, and witness to non-emergency marriages in dioceses with diocesan ordinaries without so much as a by your leave to actual authority. This makes them quite analogous to Luther and Cauvin and they are, in fact, setting up their own Church. Read their rationalizations as to how the Roman Catholic Church would die out for lack of actual priests if Marcel the malignant did not directly defy papal orders to consecrate bishops against JP II's direct orders. Read their newsletters and publications. Read particularly de Mallerais whose vile mouth makes Williamson look about as scary as Soupy Sales or Pee Wee Herman.
Great to see you back and posting on FR!
I made no reference to antiSemitism as a quality of the SSPX schism. Williamson's eccentricities are doubtless not shared by many of his partners in anti-papal schism.
Sorry about that. I may have become confused about which person I was responding to, as I sometimes do. If so, I apologise.
If you have never attended a Tridentine Mass you are far younger than I or a once indifferent Catholic or a convert.
Kind of. I am a convert, of about fifteen years. However, mainly, I live in Florida where the old forms have consistently been met with episcopal hostility.
That B-XVI has not seen fit to publicly comment on Rembert Weakland's homosexual abuse of seminarians while Archbishop of Milwaukee does not suggest papal approval of such behavior.
I agree, though, insofar as he has addressed abuse in general, and responded canonically, he has effectively responded also to Weakland, though not directly of course. However, as to this and the silence regarding the Ecclesia Dei commission, I don't think they are at all analogous. That commission was the legitimate authority appointed by the Pope regarding the issues we are discussing. When the CDW says that churches are not allowed to empty the holy water founts during Lent that judgement is binding. Why? Because they have that authority. If the Holy Father chooses to step in and change things he can. But unless and until he does so, then their position stands as authoritative and all Catholics are bound to submit. In the matter of the SSPX Ecclesia Dei was the competent authority representing the Pope, and as such their statements stand until contradicted by a higher authority. So far they haven't been.
This makes them quite analogous to Luther and Cauvin and they are, in fact, setting up their own Church.
Up to this I was with you, but here I think you move beyond the actual facts. They are certainly disobedient, but so is the priest in my local church when he makes up prayers in the Mass. It doesn't make my local parish a separate institutional Church. It makes the priest disobedient. Luther and Calvin intentionally and formally sought to create a Church apart from the Catholic Church, and at the same time denounced the true Church itself as an institution. The SSPX have never done these things.
Read their rationalizations as to how the Roman Catholic Church would die out for lack of actual priests if Marcel the malignant did not directly defy papal orders to consecrate bishops against JP II's direct orders. Read their newsletters and publications. Read particularly de Mallerais whose vile mouth makes Williamson look about as scary as Soupy Sales or Pee Wee Herman.
Hey, what's with all the Soupy Sales on this thread? :-)
Seriously though, I can't disagree with you overall. I don't particularly sympathise with the SSPX, though I also don't have a big problem with them. They don't matter much to me overall, to be frank. I really just don't agree with assertions regarding motives, which are beyond peoples' ken, or suggestions that Catholics stop being Catholics by being disobedient or sinful. It would be a mighty small Church if that were so.