One little fact that gets lost in all the heated rhetoric and name-calling is that Marx was an economist, and Marxism is, at core, an ECONOMIC theory...
So, of course, to a Lib, anything beyond ‘money’ is the ‘territory of the blind’.....
If you read Das Kapital, you would know that Marx is no economist. His notion of the modern state with skilled manufacture emulated his notions of the Souther Plantation with unskilled slaves. A few in “the big house” to tell people what to do.