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New START and Obama’s Mysterious Trip to Russia
Canada Freepress ^ | Tuesday, July 13, 2010 | Cliff Kincaid

Posted on 07/14/2010 8:58:26 AM PDT by opentalk

When 2008 GOP presidential candidate Mitt Romney attacked President Obama’s new arms treaty with Russia as a dangerous trap, Republican Senator Richard Lugar came to the defense of the Democratic president and attacked Romney as “misinformed.” But Lugar’s desperate effort to save Obama’s controversial treaty, whose passage has been badly damaged by revelations of Russian spying, doesn’t come as much of a surprise. Lugar, one of the leading globalists in the Senate, was a mentor for then-Senator Barack Obama during a controversial three-day visit they made to Russia and Eastern Europe in 2005.

During the visit, Russian authorities detained Obama and Lugar, threatened to search their plane, and examined their passports. Strangely, an official report from Lugar’s office about the trip ignored the incident.

Not only is Lugar very close to Obama, one of his key congressional staffers is Carl Meacham, who used to work for Senate Democratic Leader Harry Reid.

The push for ratification of the New Strategic Arms Reduction Treaty (New START), which requires 67 votes for passage, has been complicated by the recent arrests—and quick release—of 10 Russian agents acting on behalf of the SVR, the Russian foreign intelligence service which serves as the successor to the old Soviet KGB. The Hill newspaper noted that court documents in the case demonstrated that agents “were asked by Moscow to collect information about the treaty” in advance of a 2009 trip by Obama to Russia, during which the new President “called on Moscow to stop viewing America as an adversary,” as the British publication the Guardian put it.

One document in the spy case reveals that Moscow had “requested information on the U.S. position with respect to a new Strategic Arms Limitation Treaty, Afghanistan, and Iran’s nuclear weapons program.”

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Russia
KEYWORDS: armstreaty; lugar; newstart; no; nobmama; nonewstart; notreaty; obama; putin; russia; security; start

1 posted on 07/14/2010 8:58:27 AM PDT by opentalk
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To: opentalk

Lugar has been ga-ga for years.


2 posted on 07/14/2010 9:03:25 AM PDT by La Lydia
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To: opentalk

Rushing the Russian spys out of the country before they could be totally interigated, says a lot. We interigate a bank robber more than the spys were interigated.

As for trips out of the country............when will our President go to Israel? Or is he afraid?


3 posted on 07/14/2010 9:03:50 AM PDT by RC2
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To: opentalk
link from article

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This new Nunn- Lugar Cooperative Threat Reduction agreement was signed here on August 29, 2005, during a visit by Lugar, coauthor of the program and U.S. Sen. Barack Obama (DIL). Negotiations on the agreement have gone on for more than a year.

4 posted on 07/14/2010 9:04:03 AM PDT by opentalk
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To: opentalk

He goes because he thinks he is cutting a power deal with Medvedev and Putin. In other words, he thinks that by giving them our nukes, he will share in the power if Russia or China becomes the next top power.

Idiotically they are playing him for a total idiot.


5 posted on 07/14/2010 9:05:12 AM PDT by Niuhuru (The Internet is the digital AIDS; adapting and successfully destroying the MSM host.)
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To: opentalk

He goes because he thinks he is cutting a power deal with Medvedev and Putin. In other words, he thinks that by giving them our nukes, he will share in the power if Russia or China becomes the next top power.

Idiotically they are playing him for a total idiot.


6 posted on 07/14/2010 9:05:20 AM PDT by Niuhuru (The Internet is the digital AIDS; adapting and successfully destroying the MSM host.)
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To: opentalk
reference from NRO

New Start: Romney Is Right

Mitt Romney caused a furor last week when he wrote a Washington Post op-ed opposing the New Start treaty. Democrats and liberal commentators rushed to accuse Romney of bad-faith politics, of ignorance, and of a dangerous extremism. He’ll never get into the Council on Foreign Relations now.

The squealing is a sign that Romney hit his target: New Start is a bad deal for the United States, and the Senate should send the administration back to the negotiating table.

Romney pointed out that the linkage in the preamble of the treaty between strategic offensive weapons and missile defenses could limit our defenses.

...This gets to the crux of the matter: The treaty imposes a mutually agreed upon ceiling (in theory) on both sides, but it forces new reductions only from us.

7 posted on 07/14/2010 9:16:13 AM PDT by opentalk
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To: opentalk
Really odd: The First Time I Heard of Barack Obama

By Tom Fife

11-20-2008

http://www.jrnyquist.com/media/FifeLeary_Int-1.mp3

During the period of roughly February 1992 to mid 1994, I was making frequent trips to Moscow, Russia, in the process of starting a software development joint-venture company with some people from the Russian scientific community. One of the men in charge on the Russian side was named V. M.; he had a wife named T.M. V. was a level-headed scientist while his wife was rather deeply committed to the losing Communist cause – a cause she obviously was not abandoning.

One evening, during a trip early in 1992, the American half of our venture were invited to V. & T.’s Moscow flat as we were about to return to the States. The party went well and we had the normal dinner discussions.

As the evening wore on, T. developed a decidedly rough anti-American edge – one her husband tried to quietly rein in. The bottom line of the tirade she started against the United States went something like this:

“You Americans always like to think that you have the perfect government and your people are always so perfect. Well then, why haven’t you had a woman president by now? You had a chance to vote for a woman vice-president and you didn’t do it.”

The general response went something along the lines that you don’t vote for someone just because of their sex. Besides, you don’t vote for vice-president, but the president and vice-president as a ticket. “Well, I think you are going to be surprised when you get a black president very soon.”

The consensus we expressed was that we didn’t think there was anything innately barring that. The right person at the right time and sure, America would try to vote for the right person, be he or she black or not.

“What if I told you that you will have a black president very soon and he will be a Communist?”

The out-of-the-blue remark was met by our stares. She continued, “Well, you will; and he will be a Communist.”

It was then that the husband unsuccessfully tried to change the subject; but she was on a roll and would have nothing of it. One of us asked, “It sounds like you know something we don’t know.”

“Yes, it is true. This is not some idle talk. He is already born and he is educated and being groomed to be president right now. You will be impressed to know that he has gone to the best schools of Presidents. He is what you call “Ivy League”. You don’t believe me, but he is real and I even know his name. His name is Barack. His mother is white and American and his father is black from Africa. That’s right, a chocolate baby! And he’s going to be your President.”

She became more and more smug as she presented her stream of detailed knowledge and predictions so matter-of-factly – as though all were foregone conclusions. “It’s all been thought out. His father is not an American black so he won’t have that social slave stigma. He is intelligent and he is half white and has been raised from the cradle to be an atheist and a Communist. He’s gone to the finest schools. He is being guided every step of the way and he will be irresistible to America.”

We sat there not knowing what to say.

She was obviously very happy that the Communists were doing this and that it would somehow be a thumbing of their collective noses at America: they would give us a black president and he’d be a Communist to boot.

She made it quite obvious that she thought that this was going to breathe new life into world Communism. From this and other conversations with her, she always asserted that Communism was far from dead.

She was full of little details about him that she was eager to relate. I thought that maybe she was trying to show off that this truly was a real person and not just hot air.

She rattled off a complete litany. He was from Hawaii. He went to school in California. He lived in Chicago. He was soon to be elected to the legislature. “Have no doubt: he is one of us, a Soviet.”

At one point, she related some sort of San Francisco connection, but I didn’t understand what the point was and don’t recall much about that. I was just left with the notion that she considered the city to be some sort of a center for their activity here.

Since I had dabbled in languages, I knew a smattering of Arabic. I made a comment: “If I remember correctly, ‘Barack’ comes from the Arabic word for ‘Blessing.’ That seems to be an odd name for an American.” She replied quickly, “Yes. It is ‘African’”, she insisted, “and he will be a blessing for world Communism. We will regain our strength and become the number one power in the world.”

She continued with something to the effect that America was at the same time the great hope and the great obstacle for Communism. America would have to be converted to Communism and Barack was going to pave the way.

So, what does this conversation from 1992 prove?

Well, it’s definitely anecdotal. It doesn’t prove that Obama has had Soviet Communist training nor that he was groomed to be the first black American president, but it does show one thing that I think is very important. It shows that Soviet Russian Communists knew of Barack from a very early date. It also shows that they truly believed among themselves that he was raised and groomed Communist to pave the way for their future. This report on Barack came personally to me from one of them long before America knew he existed. Although I had never before heard of him, at the time of this conversation Obama was 30+ years old and was obviously tested enough that he was their anticipated rising star.

Tom Fife

Wait Obama is a Marxist?

Who doesn’t have friends that are domestic terrorists and committed Marxists?
Who doesn’t go to a Marxist church where the head fool sais God Damn America and blames the world’s problems on rich white people?
Who hasn’t gone to Pakistan on Spring Break while in college?
Who didn’t actively seek out Marxist professors and write about it?
Who didn’t have a your terrorist buddy write two autobiographies for you when you haven’t done a thing?
Who doesn’t work with union leaders that want the workers of the world to unite?

8 posted on 07/14/2010 9:18:08 AM PDT by DontTreadOnMe2009 (So stop treading on me already!)
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To: RC2

Yeah I thought that was kinda hurried to . .especially after I read that Panetta supposedly initiated it.


9 posted on 07/14/2010 9:18:13 AM PDT by A_Former_Democrat
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To: opentalk

I was reading Chapman Pincher’s book Too Secret Too Long: from 1984:

over 60 Members of Parliament were found to be secret members of the UK Communist Party (secret, meaning at the request of their Russian masters i.e. KGB)

and several Lords in the upper House of Lords too.

Truly amazing.


10 posted on 07/14/2010 9:24:50 AM PDT by DontTreadOnMe2009 (So stop treading on me already!)
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To: Niuhuru

Yep, he is putin’s beeatch, I can hear putin “look punk just go back and spend america into nowhere, and I’ll make you my love puppy, and give you all the czars you want for that banana republic you are president of”


11 posted on 07/14/2010 9:33:06 AM PDT by aeonspromise
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To: aeonspromise

Until Obama stupidly (and he will) lashes out at Russians because they are white.


12 posted on 07/14/2010 9:33:58 AM PDT by Niuhuru (The Internet is the digital AIDS; adapting and successfully destroying the MSM host.)
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To: aeonspromise

People celebrate the victory of US presidential candidate Barack Obama in a bar in Moscow. Photograph: Michael Eckels/AFO/Getty Images

13 posted on 07/14/2010 9:43:16 AM PDT by opentalk
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To: RC2

Obama having burgers with Mevdeved

14 posted on 07/14/2010 10:25:29 AM PDT by opentalk
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