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To: kabar

You are not “hearing” me. I said, let them in, but THEY CAN NEVER VOTE, EVER! So they will have NO SAY in how we spend our tax dollars ... and if WE, THE CITIZENS of the USA decide we aren’t going to fund “free health care” for them, then they are “on their own.” I don’t want them here either, don’t get me wrong. But if they let them in, then the stipulation as part of the “so called” amnesty is that they can NEVER vote. Let’s see a Democrat pass it with THAT attached to it. The only reason they are doing this is to get votes, so take that away and what reasons are left?


51 posted on 07/14/2010 12:40:39 PM PDT by ThePatriotsFlag (http://www.thepatriotsflag.com - The Patriot's Flag)
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To: ThePatriotsFlag
I "hearing" you but you don't seem to be hearing me.

First of all, thanks to mass LEGAL immigration, one out 8 in this country is foreign born, the highest it has been in more than 80 years [up from one in 21 in 1970] and even without an amnesty, it will be one in seven, and by 2050, one in five will be foreign born. They will be able to vote. And most vote for the party of free stuff--the Democrats. 53% of immigrant headed households in this country are on welfare. We are importing poverty with no end in sight. Did you even bother to take a look at the link I provided to you re Rober Rector's seminal study on the issue?

Immigration is changing our electoral politics. 87% of the 1.2 million legal immigrants we take in each year are minorities as defined by the USG, the vast majority of whom cine from third world countries. They have a different view of the role of government in their lives. And they are radicalized almost from the day they arrive as they are given special privileges such as affirmative action, minority business set asides etc. Minorities and immigrants vote Democrat. Take a look at this recent study that shows a direct correlation between immigrants and party voting covering the 50 and 100 largest counties in America. The GOP is well on its way to becoming the permanent minority party--and this is without amnesty. California should be the canary in the coal mine.

Immigration, Political Realignment, and the Demise of Republican Political Prospects

So the Dems are gaining voters thru immigration and the offspring of immigrants who, by and large, vote the way their parents did. Hispanics are the fastest growing and largest minority in the country. In 1970 they made up 1% of the population; today it is 16%; and by 2050 it will be 33%.

The dimensions of the Hispanic baby boom are startling. The Hispanic birthrate is twice as high as that of the rest of the American population. That high fertility rate—even more than unbounded levels of immigration—will fuel the rapid Hispanic population boom in the coming decades.

Unless the life chances of children raised by single mothers suddenly improve, the explosive growth of the U.S. Hispanic population over the next couple of decades does not bode well for American social stability. Hispanic immigrants bring near–Third World levels of fertility to America, coupled with what were once thought to be First World levels of illegitimacy. (In fact, family breakdown is higher in many Hispanic countries than here.) Nearly half of the children born to Hispanic mothers in the U.S. are born out of wedlock, a proportion that has been increasing rapidly with no signs of slowing down. Given what psychologists and sociologists now know about the much higher likelihood of social pathology among those who grow up in single-mother households, the Hispanic baby boom is certain to produce more juvenile delinquents, more school failure, more welfare use, and more teen pregnancy in the future. And this will creat more dependency on big government. All of this without an amnesty.

But if they let them in, then the stipulation as part of the “so called” amnesty is that they can NEVER vote. Let’s see a Democrat pass it with THAT attached to it. The only reason they are doing this is to get votes, so take that away and what reasons are left?

First of all, I doubt such a stipulation would ever survive a court challenge. And would the American public countenance such "second class" citizens who would be akin to slaves? Moreover, the growing Democrat majority fueled by legal immigration will eventually overturn such a stipulation thru the ballot box.

There are already 400,000 "anchor babies" born every year to illegals. They are American citizens entitled to all of the social welfare benefits from Medicaid, food stamps, subsidized housing, etc. as well as all of the privileges of being a minority. Legalizing the illegals without a vote will not prevent their children and grandchildren from exercising the franchise. I assume that these illegals made legal would be allowed to sponsor their wives and children to join them along with aged parents. The numbers could be staggering if there are 12 to 20 million illegals.

The Democrats have already said the illegals will have to get to the back of the line on an earned path to citizenhip. Under McCain-Kennedy it could take as long as 12 years or maybe never if the illegal decided just to have a green card, which entitles them to all the benefits except voting. In 1986 Teddy Kennedy and his cohorts promised that the 1986 amnesty would be a one-time event and they agreed to the bill's enforcement requirements including penalizing employers who hire illegals. The Democrats never keep their promises and they never accept no as a final answer.

The Democrats aided by such disparate groups as the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, the Catholic Church, labor unions, the ACLU, and the National Council of La Raza (The Race) have fought in the courts to block state and local legislation that cracks down on illegal immigration. Speaker Nancy Pelosi, third in line to the Presidency, has said that the enforcement of our laws against illegal immigrants is “un-American.” She stated that, “Who in this country would not want to change a policy of kicking in doors in the middle of the night and sending a parent away from their families?” In Congress, the Democrats have killed enforcement legislation and supported amnesty for those who have broken our laws.

Motivated by parochial self-interest, the pro-mass immigration, open borders, amnesty advocates have formed a powerful coalition including the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, labor union leaders, the Catholic Church, ethnic and racial groups, “moderate” Republicans, and the Democrat Party. The common thread that unites these groups is power, money, and the prospect of increased constituencies, even at the expense of our long-term national interests and survival.

The bottom line is that the Dems don't need the amnesty voters to become the permanent majority party. The status quo is not an option because the demographic changes wrought by immigration will slowly strangle the Republican Party and an amnesty will just hasten the process putting the final nail in the coffin of this country and the GOP.

54 posted on 07/14/2010 1:37:05 PM PDT by kabar
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