Catholics and immigration in Arizona

guardian.co.uk ^ | 6-28-10 | Crista Cloutier

[NoLibZone]

Illegal immigration is at the centre of a renewed American debate. Arizona's Governor Jan Brewer recently signed SB1070, also known by the cheerful misnomer "Support Our Law Enforcement and Safe Neighborhoods Act." At present, immigration is regulated by federal law. SB1070 will give the state of Arizona special powers to enforce this. It allows police to question a person's legal status when reasonable suspicion exists that the person is not an American citizen.

Their "illegal" status is the primary accusation against Mexican immigrants. But Father Charlie argues that this is a bureaucratic documentation problem, not a criminal act. "We are talking about paperwork, not a crime. By calling an undocumented worker a criminal, you put them in the same category as a rapist or burglar. This is our lowest moment. To vilify people for who they are, not what they have done."

[hosepipe]

[ Does one become more Catholic and more latin once one illegally enters the US? ]

No but the democrat party makes it possible for THEM TO VOTE...
Even tho they are not citizens.. to wit; more political power..
Two words...>> MOTOR VOTER...

[hosepipe]

[ What do they become Catholics when the cross the border? ]

They become VOTERS knucklehead...

[Alas Babylon!]

Is America a communist country? We’re led by one. Our Congress is led by several. We’re putting all kinds of officals in office who are communist by belief.

Just because there’s more than a few isolated cases in the Church, doesn’t mean they get to define the Church. The Church is primarily about helping the sinner get Salvation thru Grace. Any other thing that does the opposite is Satan’s work, not the Church’s; not God’s.

[muleskinner]

There is a fair sized segment of Catholics who lean hard left of social issues. They are led by their Priest, who is most likely Jesuit.

Aren't most of the South American Priests behind the social justice movement Jesuits? Just asking.

[big'ol_freeper]

Your statement has nothing do with voters and all to do with numbers. Nice try to rescue an asinine statement, but the “RCC” could care less about voters in a particular country, even in your own analysis. In your dark and dipshit mind they only care about numbers.

[posterchild]

While I generally agree with your first 4 paragraphs I disagree with your last one. Engaging in a particular illegal or sinful behavior may disqualify one from being a perfect sinless Christian, but not from being a Christian.

[posterchild]

While I generally agree with your first 4 paragraphs I disagree with your last one. Engaging in a particular illegal or sinful behavior may disqualify one from being a perfect sinless Christian, but not from being a Christian.

[posterchild]

As a worldwide organization why would the RCC feel the need to shift it’s ‘voters’ from one jurisdiction to another?

[amihow]

Where do you live?

[G Larry]

Hey Father Charlie!
The illegals haven't FILED any paperwork for any bureaucrat to hold up!!!

The illegal immigrant’s presence causes the legal immigrants to have to work for slave wages. We need to SECURE THE BORDER before discussing what it means for the illegals to get to the back of the line.

[c-b 1]

Southwest Arizona.

[Mariner]

"But Father Charlie argues that this is a bureaucratic documentation problem, not a criminal act."

Catch him aiding and abetting, then seize all of his written communication...email, text msgs and letters.

Then, try him and ALL of his co-conspirators...even if it's Bishops and Cardinals...and send them all to prison.

If it's found the Catholic Church is SYSTEMATICALLY undermining immigration law and abetting those who break it, charge them under the RICO act and seize all church property in the US.

That is the right and just answer.

[SoConPubbie]

Just because there’s more than a few isolated cases in the Church, doesn’t mean they get to define the Church. The Church is primarily about helping the sinner get Salvation thru Grace. Any other thing that does the opposite is Satan’s work, not the Church’s; not God’s.

Tell it to the numerous church officials, including some in the Vatican, that are pushing for the US to either grant Amnesty or be lenient to Illegal Aliens.

[SoConPubbie]

While I generally agree with your first 4 paragraphs I disagree with your last one. Engaging in a particular illegal or sinful behavior may disqualify one from being a perfect sinless Christian, but not from being a Christian.

The Apostle John would disagree with you on that matter. We are not talking about mistakes, but purposeful sin; choosing what one KNOWS is wrong, for whatever purpose, is sin.

1 John 2

1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:

2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.

4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

5 But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.

6 He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.

[posterchild]

Must one be sinless to be a Christian?

How did we get on this topic? How does this correlate to my earlier post?

[Don Corleone]

Another soft-headed pinko priest. They’re a dime a dozen.

And I believe that they are "Moles". Go ahead and flame me.

[lewislynn]

Well Father they are law breakers. Not quite to the level of a Priest child molester swept under the rug by other Priests so law enforcement wouldn't find out, but still a law breaker.

We are talking about paperwork, not a crime. By calling an undocumented worker a criminal, you put them in the same category as a rapist or burglar.

Then think of it as breaking and entering but not taking anything...Drunk driving but no one was hurt, driving without a license and insurance. Are those some of the things a Priest could accept as OK to also overlook?

[John Leland 1789]

"Well Father they are law breakers. Not quite to the level of a Priest child molester swept under the rug by other Priests so law enforcement wouldn't find out, but still a law breaker."

We are talking about paperwork, not a crime. By calling an undocumented worker a criminal, you put them in the same category as a rapist or burglar.

"Then think of it as breaking and entering but not taking anything...Drunk driving but no one was hurt, driving without a license and insurance. Are those some of the things a Priest could accept as OK to also overlook?"

There is a man currently in a federal prison in Virginia for nothing more than not having some paperwork.

He had payroll to pay each week that came to just over $9,000. He ewas accustomed to paying his employees in cash.

The law says if you withdraw cash in amounts of $10,000 or more, you have to file some paperwork. Not $9,000, not $9,999, but $10,000.

Even though the man could show the judge that his total requirement of cash never amounted to $10,000, he was thrown in prison because the judge said that he was only withdrawing less than $10,000 to avoid the paperwork!!!

Sentance: TEN YEARS !!!

For not having the paperwork, I want all of those illegals jailed, fined, and deported.

[lewislynn]

He had payroll to pay each week that came to just over $9,000. He ewas accustomed to paying his employees in cash.

My guess is THAT was his crime in the Judges mind.

[hosepipe]

[ Your statement has nothing do with voters and all to do with numbers. ]

Numbers of voters..