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FN 5.56 SCAR Retained in USSOCOM’s Inventory
Defense Talk ^ | 7/9/2010 | Defense Talk

Posted on 07/09/2010 4:33:25 PM PDT by ErnstStavroBlofeld

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To: mamelukesabre
That’s a S.C.A.R. by fabrique nationale of belgium. You can’t afford it.

Oh,, I can afford it,, but is it worth it??? I doubt it.

I once had a deputy tell me he was not afraid of a crack head with an AK,,, but he WAS afraid of a redneck with a 30-30 that had been shooting all his life,,, words of wisdom.

21 posted on 07/09/2010 5:08:36 PM PDT by MrPiper
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To: mamelukesabre

One thing I recall from Browning’s biography was that he was very impressed by the FN workers and their ability to create finely finished weapons.

Browning was obviously the greatest gun designer ever but his inventions were fairly rough in their original form. They worked perfectly but would show rough finish, heat coloring etc. He was fascinated by watching the workers turn out such well made guns and appreciated their skill.

Of course Colt and Smith & Wesson were capable of doing the same thing.


22 posted on 07/09/2010 5:12:31 PM PDT by yarddog
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To: MrPiper

I used to reload with a buddy that had a 30-06 version of that rifle.

kinda cool.

I think I’d go with a keltec su-16 before the 556 remington pump gun tho. Actually, I’d like to have both. And a ruger ranch to boot.


23 posted on 07/09/2010 5:13:40 PM PDT by mamelukesabre (Si Vis Pacem Para Bellum (If you want peace prepare for war))
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To: MrPiper

You can afford it. You just can’t have it, because that is the select fire version. BATFE won’t register any more auto rifles, and its been that way since 1986. The left snookered Reagan. It didn’t happen often (another one was amnesty), but when they did, it harmed America.


24 posted on 07/09/2010 5:14:27 PM PDT by ex 98C MI Dude (Alea Iacta Est)
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To: waterhill

Here’s one option:

http://www.kel-tec-cnc.com/rfb.htm


25 posted on 07/09/2010 5:14:38 PM PDT by davetex (All my weapons got melted by a meteor!! No Sh*t)
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To: MrPiper

You can afford it. You just can’t have it, because that is the select fire version. BATFE won’t register any more auto rifles, and its been that way since 1986. The left snookered Reagan. It didn’t happen often (another one was amnesty), but when they did, it harmed America.


26 posted on 07/09/2010 5:14:38 PM PDT by ex 98C MI Dude (Alea Iacta Est)
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To: ex 98C MI Dude

A double tap, with one squeeze of the trigger. Ooops!


27 posted on 07/09/2010 5:17:01 PM PDT by ex 98C MI Dude (Alea Iacta Est)
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To: TMSuchman

25 years ago, when I was training Infantry, in the attack the preferred approach was to shoot at known, or suspect enemy locations. Using that approach meant you didn’t give the enemy the first shot. After he shoots, you can shoot back at muzzle flashes with (M-60) machinegun fire, and things were expected to be clearer, if less pleasant. We also had platoon snipers, armed with M-1D rifles in .30/06 (7.62mmX63), and we expected to used them against LP/OPs before the fight, or enemy leadership.
If your round is close, some enemy soldiers will put their heads down, and hesitate before they can screw up their courage to shoot again. If you are lucky, and you tag him, he may be out of the fight, or may be wounded, reducing his effectiveness.

In a situation where there are noncombatants around, this approach may not lead to the best results, and may not be permitted by your rules of engagement. We figured that after the first few rounds, the noncombatants should hide, or move away. We didn’t have the “jihadi” on our radar, though we knew that Russians after drinking would occasionally try a bums rush.

As a civilian, each round comes with its own lawyer, and using a larger caliber “man stopping” round would be preferred, so you employ as few lawyers as possible.


28 posted on 07/09/2010 5:18:58 PM PDT by donmeaker ("Get off my lawn." Clint Eastwood, Green Ford Torino)
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To: mamelukesabre
I think I’d go with a keltec su-16 before the 556 remington pump gun tho

Yea,, I've been looking for a SU16-C,, can't find one. This Remington takes M16 magazines,, did ya know that?

29 posted on 07/09/2010 5:19:42 PM PDT by MrPiper
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To: donmeaker
As a civilian, each round comes with its own lawyer, and using a larger caliber “man stopping” round would be preferred, so you employ as few lawyers as possible.

When it comes time to use your experience in a fire team,,, there will be no lawyers.

30 posted on 07/09/2010 5:22:24 PM PDT by MrPiper
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To: donmeaker

I am thinking more of the local urban enviroment, that we live in. I have a very bad feeling that things are going to come crashing around our ears, and I am thinking of being prepared.


31 posted on 07/09/2010 5:24:16 PM PDT by TMSuchman (John 15;13 & Exodus 21:22-25)
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To: yarddog

Ever heard of an “obregon”?

I’ve dreamed about going back in time and taking an obregon style safety, adding a glock style locking lug, and a hi-power style barel link, and a beretta(modified to accomodate a glock locking lug) style open top slide, eliminating the barrel bushing and incorporating a flared bull barrel...combining it all into one exploded view sketch and presenting it to john moses browning on his trip to europe to meet with the belgians.

http://world.guns.ru/handguns/hg203-e.htm


32 posted on 07/09/2010 5:26:07 PM PDT by mamelukesabre (Si Vis Pacem Para Bellum (If you want peace prepare for war))
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To: MrPiper

Nope. didn’t know that. That does indeed make a difference in my volume of drool. :)


33 posted on 07/09/2010 5:29:08 PM PDT by mamelukesabre (Si Vis Pacem Para Bellum (If you want peace prepare for war))
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To: MrPiper; mamelukesabre

I was lucky enough to find a 16c about a year ago. You won’t be disappointed, if you can find one. It is a great bang for the buck. Mine has been flawless, and it didn’t break the bank.


34 posted on 07/09/2010 5:31:21 PM PDT by davetex (All my weapons got melted by a meteor!! No Sh*t)
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To: mamelukesabre

I suppose you are talking about the Mexican .45 auto. Obregon also designed a machine gun.

Believe it or not, I once owned an Obregon made in Mexico. It was a cheap .22 single shot pistol. It was made of plastic and sheet metal but the barrel was of high quality and it was surprisingly accurate.

It was probably the cheapest way to possibly make a working and actually pretty decent pistol. It had a rolling block actiom, all the parts of the rolling block were stampings.

I bought it when I was 18 and had very little money. I would far rather have it than one of the RG, PIC, etc. guns which were fairly common back then.


35 posted on 07/09/2010 5:36:47 PM PDT by yarddog
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To: MrPiper; donmeaker

Ever heard about that guy that shot a badguy with a 10mm in self defense? The lawyers claimed he was a gun kook since 10mm is way beyond “normal” power levels and thus constituted excessive force. The shooter went to jail for excessive force...or something like that. But he went to jail because he used a gun that was “too powerful”.


36 posted on 07/09/2010 5:37:58 PM PDT by mamelukesabre (Si Vis Pacem Para Bellum (If you want peace prepare for war))
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To: mamelukesabre
Ever heard about that guy that shot a badguy with a 10mm in self defense? The lawyers claimed he was a gun kook since 10mm is way beyond “normal” power levels and thus constituted excessive force

Urban legend??

37 posted on 07/09/2010 5:40:04 PM PDT by MrPiper
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To: mamelukesabre

Thats crazy, no, that sucks...

10s are awsome ( any of them ), I miss my G29, it was my backup oinker gun


38 posted on 07/09/2010 5:46:06 PM PDT by waterhill (i)
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To: MrPiper

unfortunately not. Its true. Can’t remember his name, but it was common to reference it in self defense discussions years ago. Seems like the shooting took place in a park, maybe central park. Cant remember, my memory isn’t up to snuff anymore.


39 posted on 07/09/2010 5:46:18 PM PDT by mamelukesabre (Si Vis Pacem Para Bellum (If you want peace prepare for war))
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To: mamelukesabre

Thats crazy, no, that sucks... that crazysucks...

10s are awsome ( any of them ), I miss my G29, it was my backup oinker gun


40 posted on 07/09/2010 5:47:20 PM PDT by waterhill (i)
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