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To: takenoprisoner
There are coroners around the country who would disagree with your statement that tasers have never been responsible for death. In some cases coroners, where they ruled homicide, they ruled the taser as the direct cause. In others,where they ruled homicide, they ruled the tasering as a contributory factor.

The media approach is that tasers are deadly. No coroner has ever published a paper providing evidence of tasers contributing to death via any physiological mechanism while the journals of Emergency Medicine, JAMA, Amer Physiology, etc have articles on how they could not have contributed to death but other conditions have. Any conference on emergency medicine, traumatic injuries, or urban medical issues will have seminars on the role of the taser in publicized deaths - again with no mechanism for a taser to cause the death.

You need to check your facts before making false assertions.

Oh I know - they just didn't give me the right facts at that ignorant center of learning they dared to call a medical school, and the guys from the physiology department had no idea of the facts either. Here's an example of the recent lack of facts:

J Emerg Med. 2009 May 12. [Epub ahead of print]
Absence of electrocardiographic change after prolonged application of a conducted electrical weapon in physically exhausted adults.
Ho JD, Dawes DM, Heegaard WG, Calkins HG, Moscati RM, Miner JR.

Department of Emergency Medicine, Hennepin County Medical Center, Minneapolis, Minnesota. Abstract Background: Conducted electrical weapons (CEWs) are used by law enforcement for control of subjects by causing neuromuscular incapacitation. There has been scrutiny of CEWs and their potential role in the occasional sudden death of subjects in custody. There is a hypothesized causal relationship due to induced cardiac dysrhythmia. Previous work has not shown dysrhythmia induction in resting humans. However, these devices are not often used on resting individuals in the field. Objective: We sought to determine if exposure to a CEW in a physically exhausted human sample population caused detectable change in the 12-lead electrocardiogram (ECG). Methods: Human volunteers were enrolled. All subjects had a baseline ECG obtained and then underwent an exercise regimen until exhaustion. The volunteers then received a continuous 15-s application from a TASER(R) X26 CEW (TASER International, Scottsdale, AZ). CEW electrodes were placed on random positions of their anterior thoraces. Electrode positions involved at least a 12-inch spread and always encompassed the normal anatomic position of the heart. An ECG was obtained immediately after CEW exposure. ECGs were interpreted by a blinded cardiologist. Results: At baseline, 24/25 ECGs were normal. One baseline ECG was abnormal due to several monomorphic premature ventricular complexes. After CEW exposure, all 25 ECGs were interpreted as normal. Conclusions: Prolonged CEW application in an exhausted human sample did not cause a detectable change in their 12-lead ECGs. Theories of CEW-induced dysrhythmia in non-rested humans are not supported by our findings

And a good summary of no facts:

Conf Proc IEEE Eng Med Biol Soc. 2009;2009:3181-3.
Human research review of the TASER electronic control device.
Ho JD, Dawes DM, Heegaard WG, Miner JR.
Dept. of Emergency Medicine, University of Minnesota-Hennepin Co Medical Center, Minneapolis, Minnesota, USA.
Abstract TASER Electronic Control Devices have become mainstream methods of applying electricity to control unruly suspects. There has been speculation that they may be associated with worsening human physiology or death. The lay impressions that these devices are unsafe are not founded on known human research findings. This presentation briefly reviews the most pertinent human research on this subject.

Perfect line:"The lay impressions that these devices are unsafe are not founded on known human research findings.

131 posted on 07/09/2010 8:58:47 PM PDT by Ophiucus
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To: Ophiucus
Perfect line:"The lay impressions that these devices are unsafe are not founded on known human research findings.

I don't find ME's to fit your category as "lay men." It is ME's who have ruled homicide by taser, either directly or indirectly. You need to present your argument to them so they will know how to rule in the future according to Ophiucus's theory of causation.

134 posted on 07/09/2010 9:11:54 PM PDT by takenoprisoner (Freedom Watch: fight for freedom with everything you have.)
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