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To: theanchoragedailyruse
Approach Plate from one of your previous posts.

Yes, run away without answering the dozen questions I asked you. I did brush up on my Polish and read the original entire released transcript as downloaded directly from the Polish Government website.

I found that the Air Traffic Controller comments are marked with a cryllic capital D (Д)

How many "Precision Approach" calls did the ATC make in this complete transcript? Here they are, all of them, both in Polish (as best as I can read it from the poor photocopy .pdf document) and the Google Translations transliteration into English:

10:39:80.7 "101-y, odleglosc 10, wejscie na sciezke" "101-s, distance 10, the entrance to the path"

10:39:30.1 "8 na kursie i sciezce" "8 on the course and path of"

10:39:37.3 "Pas wolny" "Free belt"

10:39:40.8 "Ladowanie dodatkowo 120-3 metry" "Loading additional 120-3 meters"

10:39:49.9 "Pochodzenie do dalszej, na kursie i sciezce odleglosc 6." "Origin to continue on the path of the course and distance 6"

10:40:13.5 "4 na kursie i sciezce" "4 on the course and path of"

10:40:26.6 "3 na kursie i sciezce" "3 on the course and path of"

10:40:31.2 "Reflektory wlaczcie" "Turn the headlights"

10:40:38.7 "2 na kursie i sciezce" 2 on the course and path of"

10:40:52.4 "Horyzont 101" "Horizon 101"

10:40:54.7 "Kontrola wysokosci horyzont" "Control the height of the horizon"

10:41:02.0 "Odejs????ugi krag!" "Re-ascend for second circle!"

One call at 10 km, one at 8, one at 4, one at 3 and one at 2 km. Consistent with ATC calling distance using traffic control radar, but nowhere near enough calls if this were a true Precision Approach Radar controlled descent. then two (ignored) calls to level off, and one urgent call to go around.

Therefore there was NO PAR Approach that day.

We are done.

68 posted on 07/13/2010 8:50:38 PM PDT by Yo-Yo (Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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To: Yo-Yo
Well at least it is start with you.

Here, I'll help out this time.

Start here, you need Russian. link

The explaination of the approach systems.

link

Video presentation of the PAR10 (NDB) RSP-10MN radar, PRMG 5 or 76 in the link above.

As I said before, the Marker E-615.5 is seperate from the PAR-10 (NDB) and integrates with the PRMG.

Radio beacon 1050 meters from rwy 26.

The second picture above is one of the ATC radar systems at Smolensk.

The second radar system is found in the picture above. The Polish prosecution have confirmed the RSP-10MN radar and maybe updated.

The military PAR approach will give course and glideslope, the frequency depends on the controller and how often the plane falls of course or glide slope.

Both COURSE and GLIDESLOPE were given. This is a military PAR (CAP and RSP) period not a military SRA.

Prescion Approach Radar

link "...Precision approach radar (PAR) is a type of radar guidance system designed to provide lateral and vertical guidance to an aircraft pilot for landing, until the landing threshold is reached. After the aircraft reaches the decision height (DH) or decision altitude (DA), guidance is advisory only. Controllers monitoring the PAR displays observe each aircraft's position and issue instructions to the pilot that keep the aircraft on course and glidepath during final approach. It is similar to an instrument landing system (ILS) but requires control instructions. One type of instrument approach that can make use of PAR is the ground-controlled approach (GCA). An Air Force air traffic controller is reflected in the precision approach radar scope (1980)Precision approach radars are most frequently used at military air traffic control facilities. Many of these facilities use the AN/FPN-63, AN/MPN, or AN/TPN-22. These radars can provide precision guidance to a distance of 10 to 20 miles. The OJ-333 Radar scope is the indicator which the air traffic controller uses to provide instructions to the pilots. In the United States PAR are used mostly by The Navy. This is due to the fact that they present a more covert type of precision approach for use on Aircraft carriers. An ILS installed on a ship could provide guidance to enemy missiles but a PAR does not provide accurate guidance with out controller instruction."

And as I stated, the RSP-10MN is more accurate as the plane nears the runway. So the frequency will increase if neccessary.

And as I said, you made a good point on this. And the question is why did ATC tell the pilot he was on course and on glideslope at 2km when he wasn't.

You never answered.

Moreover, it could be one, they are missing from the transcripts or two, the guy was an idiot, afterall he was not properly certified and has "medical issues".

Some of your translation is off slightly like the "loading".

You said: "..then two (ignored) calls to level off, and one urgent call to go around."

The go around and do a second approach stated by ATC was ignored because the plane was frickin crashing.

Are you here to just post BS or do you want to learn something?

Because if you are here to try your BS, I will bury you with the proof, like I did with MindBender and his BS.

70 posted on 07/13/2010 9:56:13 PM PDT by theanchoragedailyruse
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