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American Decline Is a State of Mind
National Review ^ | 7/8/2010 | Victor Davis Hanson

Posted on 07/08/2010 5:28:49 AM PDT by Servant of the Cross

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To: itsahoot
-- I have felt since the last campaign was on its final days, that this would be the last election that our vote really mattered, now I even doubt whether it did last time. --

I think the results make a short term difference, on the order of 10 years or so. It's wrong to say the results make no difference, in that individuals winners and losers are determined (other than the candidates) by the outcome. But the general direction of society? That seems to be a one-way ratchet!

It could be otherwise, and I think the turning point came with radio. Maybe a coincidence, maybe not. Money policy was shoved off to Federal Reserve, lots of big changes under Wilson. Critical thought isn't needed when the news reports are uniform.

81 posted on 07/08/2010 10:23:35 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: itsahoot

Well, I guess I’m the first fundamentalist Christian libertarian you’ve met. I go to an unaffiliated fundamentalist Baptist church.

Really, I’m too tired to say more.


82 posted on 07/08/2010 10:32:49 AM PDT by MichiganConservative (A government big enough to do unto the people you don't like will get to doing unto you soon enough.)
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To: wintertime
We, as conservatives, must work tirelessly to shut down the government schools.

Absolutely. Raze them.

83 posted on 07/08/2010 10:34:09 AM PDT by MichiganConservative (A government big enough to do unto the people you don't like will get to doing unto you soon enough.)
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To: Cboldt

“We each account for ourselves, as individuals.”

A mighty good thing to remember. This individual will be very afraid on that day.


84 posted on 07/08/2010 11:05:30 AM PDT by reasonisfaith ("Ye shall know them by their fruits." (Matthew 7:16))
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To: Servant of the Cross
What my future husband fails to include in his equation is that during other times of hardship and war we actually had a government that was dedicated to pulling us thru and inspiring us back to greatness.

Today, we have a government that hates this country, its people and is determined to take us down and keep us down.

Our only hope is for the politically ignorant, Paris Hilton generation to put down the iPhones, log off Face Book, wake up, grow up and help us take back the country.

85 posted on 07/08/2010 1:25:31 PM PDT by Deb (Beat him, strip him and bring him to my tent!)
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To: Servant of the Cross

Remember that not only did William Wallace scream “FREEDOM!!!”, he also showed the enemy his butt. The secret weapon. (sigh)


86 posted on 07/08/2010 1:30:42 PM PDT by Deb (Beat him, strip him and bring him to my tent!)
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To: Servant of the Cross
Thanks for the ping. Don't let all the dismal and pessimistic comments on the thread get to you.

The Elite Turn Against Obama

GALLUP : Obama Job Approval Rating Down to 38% Among Independents

87 posted on 07/08/2010 1:54:16 PM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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To: neverdem

Thanks, nice of you to say so. I’m not down, only a little surprised by the pessimism. I still agree with VDH.


88 posted on 07/08/2010 5:55:00 PM PDT by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free)
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To: MichiganConservative
Well, I guess I’m the first fundamentalist Christian libertarian you’ve met

You can be one or the other, but you can't be both. The Bible would not let you be tolerant of the deviant behavior that Libertarians ignore, or endorse. I have been a Baptist for over 60 years.

89 posted on 07/08/2010 9:26:01 PM PDT by itsahoot
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To: MichiganConservative; mad_as_he$$; Cboldt

Think of it this way.

The marxist tyrants have not reached their end game for our country, not by a long shot. And getting there from here is not a free ride for them. In order to reach it, they have a lot of work to do.

One of the major obstacles facing them is the greatest obstacle that has faced any political leader since the beginning of history—public sentiment. Otherwise known as the will of the people. Yes, many are complacent. But the many have always been led by the few.

The marxists know their major obstacle is the need to get conservatives to believe exactly what you’re selling in this thread.


90 posted on 07/09/2010 4:17:58 AM PDT by reasonisfaith ("Ye shall know them by their fruits." (Matthew 7:16))
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To: reasonisfaith
I am a systems guy. I study systems and find their weaknesses and strengths and correct or modify the issues based upon severity of items that have a negative impact on the system and the associated performance. When 50% of the population are looters AND the structure of the country has been fundamentally so that the Federal government runs all aspects the system is damaged beyond repair.

What people like you fail to understand is that the socialist do not play by the rules and never will. I see lots of “we take the high road” crap here on FR. This is a life or death knife fight while we sit around and count on the a big Rep win in the next election. Leaving things to the looters at the voting booth is sure disaster. 85% of Jews supported 0, 78% of women, 82% Hispanic and 95% Black. White guys do not have an impact on the election. Winning large amounts of support away from any one of those groups for the Reps is impossible. The idiotic Reps have so damaged the brand it is fatally broken which leads to independent action which leads to Dem wins. Even if Reps win 0 care will not be repealed and the USSC will be stacked. I am all for fighting a winnable fight by the rules. This is not a winnable fight playing by the rules.

91 posted on 07/09/2010 5:24:52 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$ (Sometimes you have to go to dark places to get to the light....)
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To: mad_as_he$$

The rest of the Accident seemed to skip a beat.

Ginger flipped paint blinked by moons.

Run four between the water.


92 posted on 07/09/2010 9:01:29 PM PDT by reasonisfaith (Rules will never work for radicals because they seek chaos. And don't even know it.)
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