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While commending her for her adjustment to prison and her work on behalf of other prisoners, Doyle and deputy commissioner Carol Bentley said the crimes involved were so atrocious and heinous that they must be considered in the decision.

"She does not look at herself to see what made her capable of this activity," Doyle said. Both he and Bentley said they were disappointed that Van Houten chose not to speak to them directly.

"It's been 15 years since I've seen you," Bentley said, "and commissioner Doyle has never heard from you."

Doyle criticized a report from a psychologist who he said accepted everything Van Houten told her and did not look beneath the surface.

He particularly noted that in the past, Van Houten has suffered from dependence on strong male figures who were able to control her.

He suggested she needs more counseling on how to deal with men.

However, he said the concerns for public safety are not sufficient to give her a 10- or 15-year denial. He scheduled another hearing in three years.

Van Houten, who last appeared before a parole board in 2007, showed no response to the decision and was taken back to her cell.

During the hearing, she read a statement apologizing to the victims' family "for the pain I caused" and saying she understood their grief. She gave them a private written apology.

She said she understood the enormity of her crime and makes no excuses for her actions. She said she has gained insight during her 41 years in prison that is helping her to understand "so it does not happen again."

Louis Smaldino, a member of the La Bianca family, spoke during the hearing of the unending anguish they have experienced and suggested that Van Houten should have been executed. He urged the board to keep her in prison and deny another parole hearing for as long as possible.

"Miss Van Houten is a murdering terrorist, and her character does not change," he said.

Debra Tate, sister of the slain Sharon Tate, whose killing is not involved in this case, appeared on behalf of another La Bianca family member, Angela Smaldino. Tate said Smaldino believes Van Houten should be commended for her growth but thinks her behavior would be unpredictable in a changed world.

"It's not a risk that most of us would want to take," she said.

Van Houten's attorney, Brandie Devall, highlighted her impeccable disciplinary record.

"There is nothing in the record that suggests her dangerousness," she said. "You have a record before you of reform and rehabilitation. People can and do change."

Devall also asked the panel to consider Van Houten's age — 19 — when she joined in the La Bianca killings. She noted Van Houten came under the influence of Manson, "who had a knack for finding lost young people and manipulating them."

Devall quoted one of the original prosecutors in the case, Stephen Kay, who said in 1980 that Van Houten would be suitable for parole someday.

"We now have three decades more," she said. "There is no need for more time to observe Miss Van Houten."

However, Los Angeles Deputy District Attorney Patrick Sequeira recounted the murders' savagery and urged the panel not to accept the idea that Manson was responsible and Houten was not.

"It's been said he turned people into mindless robots," Sequeira said of Manson. "But there were people in the commune who did not participate in the murders."

He noted that Van Houten chose not to answer questions of the panel at the hearing.

"Nevertheless, the real question that arises is who does this? Who joins this group after hearing the news of what happened at the Tate residence the night before?" Sequeira asked.

Arguing for her continued incarceration, he said, "There's just something about this woman, something about her that led her to cross a very heavy line and become involved in these brutal, savage murders."

Devall responded that current case law suggests the panel should look at "who the person is sitting before you today," and not base its entire decision on the crimes.

After the hearing, Devall said she will probably appeal the ruling.

Asked why Van Houten chose not to speak to the panel, Devall said "There's nothing new for her to add. She has said it all. This time the court won't be able to use her words against her."

Sequeira said he was pleased with the decision and felt Van Houten had not taken full responsbility for her crimes.

"She makes herself out to be a victim rather than a full participant ... I'd like her to tell the truth about what she did," Sequeira said.

Among those attending Tuesday's hearing was Barbara Hoyt, a former Manson family member, who said she had not seen Van Houten in 40 years.

"I hope my coming here stumped her a little bit," Hoyt said.

Hoyt said if she had not seen pictures of the older Van Houten, she would never have recognized her.

Van Houten was convicted of murder and conspiracy for her role in the slayings of the La Biancas. They were stabbed to death in August 1969, one night after Manson's followers killed actress Sharon Tate and four others.

Van Houten did not participate in the Tate killings but went along the next night when the La Biancas were slain in their home. During the penalty phase of her trial, she confessed to joining in stabbing Mrs. La Bianca after she was dead.

The Tate-La Bianca killings became one of the most notorious murder cases of the 20th Century and continues to rivet public attention 41 years later.

1 posted on 07/06/2010 8:05:52 PM PDT by Beowulf9
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To: Beowulf9

Good!


2 posted on 07/06/2010 8:16:45 PM PDT by jazusamo (But there really is no free lunch, except in the world of political rhetoric,.: Thomas Sowell)
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To: Beowulf9

I say “good” too!


3 posted on 07/06/2010 8:23:33 PM PDT by DefeatCorruption
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To: Beowulf9

Sorry Charlie


4 posted on 07/06/2010 8:25:40 PM PDT by RckyRaCoCo
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To: Beowulf9
Seems like a sick little game played by the state....Are these people on the borad angry because she is not speaking to them? So what?

She's said the same thing in all the other hearings...There is nothing different to be said...

Why not just eliminate the parole hearings for this person?

She sure in hell won't be granted parole....Is this just for these government employees on the hearing board to gain fame and notoriety and possible write books? Are they anger because the murderer opted not to speak with them?

Are they this petty?

5 posted on 07/06/2010 8:26:41 PM PDT by dragnet2
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They all should die in jail.


6 posted on 07/06/2010 8:27:34 PM PDT by BunnySlippers (I LOVE BULL MARKETS . . .)
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To: Beowulf9
Doyle said. Both he and Bentley said they were disappointed that Van Houten chose not to speak to them directly.

LOL... As if that would make a difference...Could it be these government employees are looking for some kind of twisted fame, and are disappointed the murderer chose not to speak to them directly and repeat the same crap she's repeating for the past 41 years?

Sick state game...

8 posted on 07/06/2010 8:33:48 PM PDT by dragnet2
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To: Beowulf9
Here's an odd fact from the case. The La Bianca's dropped their daughter off at her apartment on the way home. She was the last family member to see them alive. Many will recognize that apartment building as it was the one from “Melrose Place.”
13 posted on 07/06/2010 8:51:26 PM PDT by Hillarys Gate Cult
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To: Beowulf9

No way anyone should risk freeing someone as notorious as the Manson Gangmembers. Nothing good could ever come from it.


16 posted on 07/06/2010 8:58:50 PM PDT by A_Former_Democrat
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To: Beowulf9

I feel bad for Van Houten. She’s probably lonely in jail. I think she needs to be reunited with her friend Susan Atkins ASAP.


17 posted on 07/06/2010 9:06:36 PM PDT by death2tyrants
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“This time the court won’t be able to use her words against her.”

So they used her lack of words against her. She needed to justify a change in her status and said nothing. Dumb lawyer.


18 posted on 07/06/2010 9:10:25 PM PDT by Lucius Cornelius Sulla (Good night. I expect more respect tomorrow - Danny H (RIP))
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To: Beowulf9

Get Back...Get Back...
Get Back to where you belong...


23 posted on 07/06/2010 9:45:40 PM PDT by Tex-Con-Man
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To: Beowulf9
Van Houten was not yet suitable for parole because she had failed to gain complete insight into her crime and its motivation.

Oh darn....If she only had more insight into her crime!

I love this kind of parole babble.

34 posted on 07/06/2010 11:31:38 PM PDT by dragnet2
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To: Beowulf9

I think if you get rejected for parole you should wait longer before your next parole hearing. Maybe wait an extra 3 years before your next hearing. Maybe we could do this to save California some money.


35 posted on 07/07/2010 12:10:25 AM PDT by Munson
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To: Beowulf9

OK, I have an off-the-wall question, only obliquely related to this case.

Suppose you have a person who goes into prison in their early 20’s and gets parole in their early to mid-60’s. Considering that such a person would most likely have had a very sketchy job history before prison, wouldn’t this individual be ineligible for Medicare and Social Security?
As I read the material from SSA, you have to have a certain number of quarters to be eligible. I seem to remember that it’s 40 quarters which is 10 years.

Just wondering....


36 posted on 07/07/2010 1:27:39 AM PDT by GadareneDemoniac
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