Posted on 07/06/2010 2:23:21 AM PDT by theanchoragedailyruse
And you have heard of a communication tower shortly after the third turn of the TU-154: "The Polish 101, and 100 meters to be ready to leave for the second circle"?
Yes, but I heard "50." So I told my colleagues just after the crash and remains as a fortress. I also remember that Il also received from the controller command "50 meters and be ready to leave." During the first and second approach.
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ATC gave the command to level off when the pilot called out 50. That was too late.
ST: 100. (2P): In the norm. ST: 90. TAWS:PULL UP, PULL UP. ST: 80. 2P: Go around. 2P: Go around. Signal at F=400 Hz. (Decision height). TAWS:PULL UP, PULL UP. ST: 60. ST: 50. D: Horizon 101. ST: 40. TAWS:PULL UP, PULL UP. ST: 30. D: Height control, horizon. ST: 20. Signal at F=400 Hz. Autopilot disconnect. Signal at F=800 Hz. Inner marker. Signal at F=400 Hz. Autothrottle disconnect
50 meters is about 164 feet. What am I missing in this story???
//What am I missing in this story//
For whatever reason he should not have been at 50 meters that far away from the runway IMO.
The minima for Smolensk is 100x1000. For an NDB it is even higher.
At 50 meters, according to charts drawn up, the plane was heading into the upslope side of the ravine that was at the approach end.
Could someone translate this information?
50 meters, is what?
radio altimeter
?
RA (50 meters) in the ravine. Baro reading was given in QFE.
This is just more un-informed rantings from a non-pilot.
SS,DD
The plane was dropping at 50 meters a second, and they were three seconds away from the runway ?
Would you be able to decipher what is actually meant?
My Russian is Очень зачаточный, не очень хороший. (translation: Basic)
It also helps to superimpose the audio track with a 3D visualization of the radar returns so you can see where he was when he made the transmission. That can change meaning entirely.
For example, "At the Outer Marker now" has a very different meaning if A/C is outbound for a proceedure turn or in the other case, inbound and beginning his approach. Also comments such "I see it," "Got it" and "It's over there" are all very dependent on where the A/C was and what it was doing at the time the transmission was made.
Finally, this story is an early 2010 nominee for BS Story Of The Year, with so many conspiracy types weighting in.
Yes, I know transmissions were probably in English, but inter-tower/approach/center/WX would be in Russian, and in- cockpit would be in Polish.
Additional problems with translation or just bad English,
Waht does “Second Circle” mean?
Second holding pattern?
Another circling aproach?
#2 Circle to land approach?
Second missed approach route to a predetermined fix?
Who knows.
Mindbender, you keep coming on these threads and keep trying to prove them wrong but you can’t even get your facts right on what a call sign is to what a baro reading was.
Nice try.
Gee!
That does not excuse the rampant tin hat scenarios that keep getting posted here by non-pilots.
MindBender this is a typo “Waht does”...
What you stated was no-where close to a typo.
A NDB approach with a DH at 50 meters? Where did you learn to fly.
A pilot you ain’t. Move along.
If you don't think I'm a fully licensed and certified pilot, mortgage your double-wide and put $250,000 with a fully neutral stakes-holder. I'll do the same. We can use a bonded lawyer and put it in his escrow account.
If I am a licensed pilot, I take it all. If not, you do.
Winner takes all.
Put your money were your mouth is, or are you too chicken?
The only thing certifiable are your statements.
Show me a military NDB approach with a 50 meters DH and making the approach on AP.
Put up or shut up. And move along.
Again a pilot you aint. I could care less if you are certified.
Where are you getting this insanity?
Where did I say there was an NDB approach with a 50 meter decision height?
Come on, drop the Tin Hat stuff.
#1, NDB approaches do NOT have a Decision Height (DH.) Only precision approaches have DHs NDB approaches have Minimum Descent Altitudes (MDA). Operationally, they are very different.
#2. Decision Heights and Minimum Descent Altitudes are expressed in feet, not meters. I have flown instrument approaches to both Borispol (Kiev) and 34R at Petropavlovsk. Even in these old USSR countries, the DH and MDA altitudes are expressed in feet, not meters.
(See http://www.airalandalus.org/vueltas/negocios/cartas/UHPP.pdf) for an example.
Just one more example that this is all Tin Foil Hat BS.
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