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Pardon me for intruding, but I think you might be interested in this. Tailgunner Joe is not interested in freedom as the founders of this country and you mean it. He despises individual liberty. When he uses the word "freedom," though he does not have the courage nor is honest enough to say so, he means only freedom to worship as a Roman Catholic. He is part of a growing movement that wants nothing less than to re-establish the Holy Roman Empire, placing everyone under the thumb of Rome.

The following is from the book Revolution and Counter-Revolution, on one of the pages he links to:

"B. Catholic Culture and Civilization

"Therefore, the ideal of the Counter-Revolution is to restore and promote Catholic culture and civilization. This theme would not be sufficiently enunciated if it did not contain a definition of what we understand by Catholic culture and Catholic civilization. We realize that the terms civilization and culture are used in many different senses. Obviously, it is not our intention here to take a position on a question of terminology. We limit ourselves to using these words as relatively precise labels to indicate certain realities. We are more concerned with providing a sound idea of these realities than with debating terminology.

"A soul in the state of grace possesses all virtues to a greater or lesser degree. Illuminated by faith, it has the elements to form the only true vision of the universe.

"The fundamental element of Catholic culture is the vision of the universe elaborated according to the doctrine of the Church. This culture includes not only the learning, that is, the possession of the information needed for such an elaboration, but also the analysis and coordination of this information according to Catholic doctrine. This culture is not restricted to the theological, philosophical, or scientific field, but encompasses the breadth of human knowledge; it is reflected in the arts and implies the affirmation of values that permeate all aspects of life.

"Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church.]

Got that? "Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church." The other name for this is called "totalitarianism." That is Tailgunner Joe's idea of freedom.

There is much more of this, but I'll spare you. There are links to more of this on Tailgunner Joe's profile page.

This would be frightening if there were any chance of it happening. It won't, because those caught up in this are just as superstitiously ignorant as the Muslims. What kind of people think the only hope for America is Fatima. Good grief!

Hank

Joe, care to comment? I’ve looked at your page and your links and Hank seems to have the right of it.

I wonder just where you got the notion that God needs YOUR help to establish His Kingdom here on earth? What Scripture can you cite as that authority? ‘Cause the best I can find is where Jesus tells the believers to go and be WITNESSES to the world, showing them a much better way to live and to die: as the saved ELECT, who will then live with Him on high. Can’t find word ONE where He wants someone to establish a theocracy in His Name. Can you point it out to us?

My understanding is that Salvation is pretty much an individual, voluntary thing... though the Roman Catholic Church HAS done some pretty ugly things in the past. Things which, viewed through the lens of the Bible, would appear to be totally CONTRARY to the letter and SPIRIT of His Message. How do you reconcile that past behavior and your current beliefs with the clear meaning of the Bible?