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EXCLUSIVE: Arizona's Closed Federal Parkland is a No-Man's Land
fox news ^ | 7/2/10 | Joshua Rhett Miller

Posted on 07/02/2010 3:16:37 PM PDT by Nachum

BUENOS AIRES NATIONAL WILDLIFE REFUGE, Arizona – The number of illegal immigrants and drug smugglers crossing through this magnificent national parkland in southern Arizona has "decreased significantly" in the last four years, park officials say.

But there's a dark cloud to this silver lining: To make it happen, the refuge had to close a sliver of this slice of heaven to the quarter-billion American taxpayers who own it -- essentially creating a no-man's-land on which only drug smugglers, gun-runners, human traffickers and the Border Patrol agents who track them down dare to tread.

And with rival Mexican drug gangs gunning each other down less than 50 miles away, the chance that the closed portion of the wildlife refuge will reopen in the foreseeable future appears to be between slim and none. For the time being, officials say, this public land will be closed to the public.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: aliens; arizonas; closed; federal; parkland
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To: Oatka

Oh my goodness, that puts it in much better words. We Americans are dealing with our own “Gaza Stripe”.


21 posted on 07/02/2010 5:34:37 PM PDT by Biggirl (AZ Is DOING THE JOB The Feds Should Be Doing, ENFORCING The Southern Border! =^..^=)
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To: Steve Van Doorn

It’s federal land about the size of Connecticut.


22 posted on 07/02/2010 5:46:15 PM PDT by donna (The fruits of Feminism: Angry fathers, bitter mothers, fat kids.)
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To: Nachum

As the Cartel War in Mexico heats up the smugglers are more dangerous- completely ruthless and our Border Patrol is simply not able to deal with what they are encountering in many areas not just this one. Border Patrol agents are quietly avoiding some areas and the media is not reporting what is going on. There will be increasingly violent incidents with locals, the public, Border Patrol, and other law enforcement in these areas. The head of the Border Patrol union has stated that he does not feel the agents can safely patrol areas actually on the border without having armored vehicles. I think it will take military action to secure the worst areas of the border and take back the land from the cartels.


23 posted on 07/02/2010 6:27:13 PM PDT by Tammy8 (~Secure the border and deport all illegals- do it now! ~ Support our Troops!~)
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To: Steve Van Doorn
Question: Why can’t Arizona send in a swat team and clear the area? I know this is a federal issue but if the federal government isn’t doing their job why doesn’t Arizona do it?

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ We are already paying all the illegals expenses. Stop with the benefits for illegals and we could put the money to work at the border.

24 posted on 07/02/2010 6:33:03 PM PDT by Irish Eyes
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To: Nachum; sodpoodle; Candor7
MAD MAX right here in America!

The only thing that actually WOULD get the Feds back into the area: a large group of well-armed American Patriots on a mission to take their country back.

25 posted on 07/02/2010 6:42:54 PM PDT by DTogo (High time to bring back the Sons of Liberty !!)
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To: Oatka

This is a heck of a lot mor than 3,500 acres as indicated by the Fed notification, It is way more than 35,000; perhaps 3,500,000.


26 posted on 07/02/2010 7:29:41 PM PDT by Lion Den Dan
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To: Steve Van Doorn
Question: Why can’t Arizona send in a swat team and clear the area?

Because it's something like 10,000 square miles of some of the most inhospitable terrain in the American Southwest. Do you seriously expect an 8 man SWAT team to secure that?

27 posted on 07/02/2010 7:34:33 PM PDT by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: Lurker
"Do you seriously expect an 8 man SWAT team to secure that?"

My question is why can't the governor mobilize the AZ National Guard? I heard her being interviewed this afternoon and she said the Fed Gov't won't let her. Is this because we're talking about federal land? Otherwise why would she have to play "mother may I" with the Feds?

28 posted on 07/02/2010 7:44:14 PM PDT by Flag_This (Real presidents don't bow.)
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To: Flag_This
My question is why can't the governor mobilize the AZ National Guard?

Because Obama "Federalized" them. She no longer has any legal authority over her own State's NG.

Is this because we're talking about federal land?

That's another reason. Governor Brewer is falling into the Fed trap of "It is because we say so." What she should do is call up te regular and irregular State Militia and use them to defend the citizens of her fair State.

L

29 posted on 07/02/2010 7:49:15 PM PDT by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: Lurker
"That's another reason. Governor Brewer is falling into the Fed trap of "It is because we say so." What she should do is call up te regular and irregular State Militia and use them to defend the citizens of her fair State."

You know if some motivated ex-military types got organized and decided to "go hiking" every so often the FBI would be all over them in 15 seconds flat, but a hostile foreign invasion is just peachy. What a country.

30 posted on 07/02/2010 7:56:39 PM PDT by Flag_This (Real presidents don't bow.)
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To: Lurker; Irish Eyes; donna
The worst area is obviously the 3,500 acres 8 men can secure 2.5 mile square area and that would be a good start.

Looking at the map there is a small town called Sasabe right there at the refuge that they have closed off. What did they do with the people in the town? There has got to be a lot more to this story.

31 posted on 07/02/2010 8:13:59 PM PDT by Steve Van Doorn (*in my best Eric cartman voice* 'I love you guys')
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To: Steve Van Doorn

Sasabe: Population 130, border town. Who knows who or what runs the place.


32 posted on 07/02/2010 8:21:41 PM PDT by donna (The fruits of Feminism: Angry fathers, bitter mothers, fat kids.)
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To: Lurker; Irish Eyes; donna
Arizona should play political games with the federal government. They could start by securing that 2.5 mile square area and claim that it is safe. Then the federal government will have to close a different area.

Work it like a shell game.. until the feds have to claim how much area is really closed off.

33 posted on 07/02/2010 8:24:49 PM PDT by Steve Van Doorn (*in my best Eric cartman voice* 'I love you guys')
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To: donna
It would seem the area in question was closed in 2006 but crime has gone down in that area:
http://www.fws.gov/southwest/refuges/arizona/buenosaires/
34 posted on 07/02/2010 8:35:12 PM PDT by Steve Van Doorn (*in my best Eric cartman voice* 'I love you guys')
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To: Steve Van Doorn
but crime has gone down in that area

Reported crime has gone down.

35 posted on 07/02/2010 8:45:02 PM PDT by donna (The fruits of Feminism: Angry fathers, bitter mothers, fat kids.)
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To: donna
i feel stupid sometimes. it is one of those DUH moments.

Of course crime has gone down no citizen are allowed to be in that area. So all crimes that do take place would be fatalities or as you said not reported.

36 posted on 07/02/2010 9:49:41 PM PDT by Steve Van Doorn (*in my best Eric cartman voice* 'I love you guys')
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To: Nachum
Jimbaro at The People's Cube writes:

This is a glorious brilliant move by the Dэaя Lэadэя, who has begun to relinquish American Soil to LA ЯAZA. That is the way to whittle America down to size, by yielding a few thousand acres at a time to drug lords and 'Coyotes' (the human traffickers of undocumented workэяs).

37 posted on 07/02/2010 9:55:00 PM PDT by Brugmansian
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To: Recovering Ex-hippie
Quit waiting for the government to save you because they will do little to nothing to stop the invasion. Not Obama, nor Brewer, nor many of the local sheriffs. It is up to the people to protect our country from this invasion.

There are American patriots currently working to secure this land which has been ceded to Mexico. Support them with supplies, money, and ,where feasible, manpower. We are conservatives, not liberals and we shouldn't be dependent on the government to do anything, not even that which it is required to do by law.
38 posted on 07/02/2010 10:22:37 PM PDT by Grandma Conservative (Quit settling for the lesser of two evils and support conservatives in the primaries.)
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To: Steve Van Doorn

Don’t feel stupid - they say it that way so people will accept it. I finally decided that I’m glad my mind doesn’t work that way. I’d rather get played now and then and retain my better outlook on life.


39 posted on 07/03/2010 12:02:53 AM PDT by donna (The fruits of Feminism: Angry fathers, bitter mothers, fat kids.)
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To: Steve Van Doorn
I vaguely recall that the destruction of Sasebe occurred around 1985 when the ranch was sold to the Feds for an exorbitant amount of money. About 11 million I think.

I believe a prominent Arizona family was involved in the transaction. The Pulliam newspaper gave it a lot of press and were opposed to the deal. Some people thought it was done to establish a drug route through Arizona because the border had no demarcation between Mexico and the States. Others thought it was to permit easy access for immigrants to cross the border unimpeded. Whatever the objective it seemed highly suspect.

The last stupid unenforced Immigration legislation was passed at approximately the same time. I think every legislator that signed that last bill who is still alive,either active or retired should lose their pension and the money should accrue to Arizona where it should be used to secure the border. In fact,I think all legislation which goes sour should result in the cancellation of the legislators' pensions. They might start paying attention to what they are doing.

40 posted on 07/03/2010 12:24:40 AM PDT by saradippity
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