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Rand Paul Won’t Say How Old the Earth Is. (Whiny liberal hates Creationists)
True/Slant ^ | 6-28-2010 | Charles Johnson

Posted on 06/29/2010 4:21:08 AM PDT by Christian_Capitalist

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To: MrB

You do.

My kids figured out early on to give back to the teachers what they want to hear, not what they really believe.


181 posted on 06/29/2010 11:25:37 AM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: allmendream; metmom
If you support teaching your particular religious views of creationism instead of the science of evolution; do you similarly support teaching the (supposed) history of the Semitic people in America as put forth by the Book of Mormon in history class in Utah? Should the teachings of the Quran prevail in Muslim dominated areas of Michigan (they are also creationists, if that helps you decide)?

Of course. Parents should be free to decide what sort of education their children receive.

That's Capitalism.

And as I said: why don't you just support returning to Creationist Parents the $10,000 per-child, per-year which is currently extorted from them for the teaching of Evolutionism -- and prepare to marvel at the sudden, massive demand which will erupt for scientist-educators from the Discovery Institute, the Institute for Creation Research, the Creation Research Society, and the many other Creation Science foundations.

Of course, many Evolutionists will very quickly be out of a job, without Government Subsidies for the teaching of Child-Abuse Evolutionism. We Parents will not support Child Abusers with our purchasing dollars, for ANY amount of alleged post-graduation "payoff", given the Economic Choice.

182 posted on 06/29/2010 11:27:55 AM PDT by Christian_Capitalist (Taxation over 10% is Tyranny -- 1 Samuel 8:17)
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To: metmom

ToE, whatever the heck this seems to be, has a basis in science. Scientific method. It has become to some a philosophy. To me, a scientist, it is not a philosophy but a way of explaining nature as seen around us. Using observation and hypothesis testing as a basis.

We’re probably thinking of two different ideas....


183 posted on 06/29/2010 11:28:54 AM PDT by morkfork (Candygram for Mongo)
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To: <1/1,000,000th%

The author has strong reason to believe that Rand Paul is a Creationist, and he hates that, because he hates Creationists.


184 posted on 06/29/2010 11:29:15 AM PDT by Christian_Capitalist (Taxation over 10% is Tyranny -- 1 Samuel 8:17)
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To: allmendream; Christian_Capitalist
Creationism doesn't have a scientific explanation for the diversity of life, they have a miraculous explanation.

You mean as scientific as *Some how all this chemical soup came together and started life, inanimate substances assembling into sentient life.*

And then, with not precedent to support it, we're assuming that great changes in the numbers of chromosomes, which are usually deleterious, weren't and many life forms evolved all on their own into the variety of life we see on the planet today.

If you're going to state that creationism doesn't produce anything of value, then to be consistent, you're going to need to throw out all the scientific groundwork laid by all the scientists who lived BEFORE Darwin, AND the scientific research done by his peers who disagreed with him.

By your own standard, they produced nothing of value.

185 posted on 06/29/2010 11:31:53 AM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: morkfork
"Then our conversation is over if you don’t think evolution is scientific based. That just ain’t correct."

'Science-based' means nothing. ID and Special Creation are just as 'science-based' as evolution. The only real difference is the opposing philosophies behind them.

You're misrepresenting the issue to avoid admitting that evolution is the philosophy of naturalism supported by the fallacy of affirming the consequent.

186 posted on 06/29/2010 11:32:51 AM PDT by GourmetDan (Eccl 10:2 - The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left.)
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To: Christian_Capitalist

Same.

My main thesis is your arrogance of your belief. That can easily and often already is a stumbling block.


187 posted on 06/29/2010 11:36:28 AM PDT by morkfork (Candygram for Mongo)
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To: MrB
"I’ve thought that I was going to have to teach two lessons to my kids as they get up into the place where they’re going to have to take a “worldly knowledge” evaluation test. One of the truth, and one of what the world wants you to think."

That's what I tell my kids. Go ahead and give the answer the teacher wants for the test. That doesn't mean it's true or that you have to accept it as being true.

I explain that, back in my day, we 3rd-graders would point out how So America fit into the shape of Africa as though the two had once been joined. "Oh no, pooh, pooh.", the teacher said. "That's just a coincidence. Science says that didn't happen."

Funny how 3rd-graders turned out to be right and 'science' was wrong. LOL!

188 posted on 06/29/2010 11:37:00 AM PDT by GourmetDan (Eccl 10:2 - The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left.)
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To: metmom; allmendream
You mean as scientific as *Some how all this chemical soup came together and started life, inanimate substances assembling into sentient life.*

That's not scientific at all. That statement violates Pasteur's Law of Biogenesis -- and, of course, in keeping with that Scientific Law, no example of random Abiogenesis of self-replicating Life has ever been observed in any laboratory, anywhere. There's just zero laboratory support for that Evolutionist Myth, anywhere in the world, any time in history. Children should not be taught silly Evolutionist fantasies which violate known Scientific Law -- that's just Child Abuse, IMHO.

But, you knew that already. :-)

189 posted on 06/29/2010 11:37:55 AM PDT by Christian_Capitalist (Taxation over 10% is Tyranny -- 1 Samuel 8:17)
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To: morkfork; Christian_Capitalist
And that the kids you are (or will homeschool) will have more difficulty solving “out of the box” problems coming from a homeschooling background.

What a joke. Homeschooled kids are the only ones capable of thinking out of the box. Public school kids are brainwashed and forced to conform. They don't know how to think originally because they aren't allowed to and aren't encouraged to.

190 posted on 06/29/2010 11:37:56 AM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: morkfork
Thank you for your concern. No offense is meant.

Offense might be taken, but none is intended.

191 posted on 06/29/2010 11:39:10 AM PDT by Christian_Capitalist (Taxation over 10% is Tyranny -- 1 Samuel 8:17)
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To: Christian_Capitalist
"Offense might be taken, but none is intended."

Sometimes taking offense is the only response that 'feels rational'. ;-)

192 posted on 06/29/2010 11:42:02 AM PDT by GourmetDan (Eccl 10:2 - The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left.)
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To: Christian_Capitalist

The Christian schools here are public school lite and not nearly as cheap.

If you can get that kind of education for that kind of price, I’d go for it as well.


193 posted on 06/29/2010 11:42:14 AM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Christian_Capitalist
*Some how all this chemical soup came together and started life, inanimate substances assembling into sentient life.*

Imageo Goo instead of Imageo Dei.

Yes, that difference in assumption is going to have huge worldview implications.

194 posted on 06/29/2010 11:42:58 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a (de)humanist and a Satanist is that the latter knows who he's working for.)
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To: GourmetDan
You're misrepresenting the issue to avoid admitting that evolution is the philosophy of naturalism supported by the fallacy of affirming the consequent.

ToE has been used by naturalists to attack Christianity. That is most assuredly correct. But the science behind what ToE has morphed into today is not a philosophy. It's based on the scientific method. Hypothesis, Observation.Testing, Conclusion. And it, through many hiccups and sideroads, has become the dominant, most rational for the data, explanation based on experiment (not faith) out there today. That's what good science does. It preens out the crap over time and only the ideas that stand the test of time and repeated questioning remain. See Newton's Laws and Maxwell's Equations...

195 posted on 06/29/2010 11:43:03 AM PDT by morkfork (Candygram for Mongo)
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To: metmom
Thanks. It's a consideration.

That was the NON-scholarship price, by the way.

196 posted on 06/29/2010 11:43:29 AM PDT by Christian_Capitalist (Taxation over 10% is Tyranny -- 1 Samuel 8:17)
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To: Christian_Capitalist
Oh really?

If every government school shut down, suddenly petroleum exploration companies and biotechnology companies will start hiring creationists instead of scientists?

Delusional.

I do support shutting down public education. Problem with reading comprehension?

The post graduation “payoff” is the Free Market finding a value for trained scientists that they have not found for creationists.

Why do you suppose there is a Free Market demand for actual scientists, but no similar demand for creation scientists?

Because capitalism, like natural selection, tends to find out what WORKS.

Science creates value in terms of discovery and use.

Creationism creates nothing of any value in terms of discovery and use.

197 posted on 06/29/2010 11:45:36 AM PDT by allmendream (Income is EARNED not distributed. So how could it be re-distributed?)
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To: metmom
Likewise evolutionists will never attract anyone to science by calling them *creatards* and *IDiots*, flat earthers, and a whole plethora of other derogatory terms, and insulting them as some evos ahve already tried on this thread.

So? Did I use those terms? Why don't you challenge those that have used them? Why make it about me when it clearly isn't?

198 posted on 06/29/2010 11:47:40 AM PDT by raybbr (Someone who invades another country is NOT an immigrant - illegal or otherwise.)
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To: Christian_Capitalist

I know from personal experience from whence I talk about arrogance being a stumbling block. One I deal with often.....


199 posted on 06/29/2010 11:47:40 AM PDT by morkfork (Candygram for Mongo)
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To: metmom

Not from what I have seen. My homeschool kids have trouble solving the really crazy, wacky problems. Note my sample size is small, but starting to become statistically significant.


200 posted on 06/29/2010 11:50:11 AM PDT by morkfork (Candygram for Mongo)
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