What the sneaky left has really been doing to America

Most Obama voters think we are a democracy,, of course, we weren't suppose to be,, but its turning out that way and will end that way. If you have a god,, pray.

James Madison warned: 'Democracies have ever been spectacles of turbulence and contention; have ever been found incompatible with personal security or the rights of property; and have in general been as short in their lives as they have been violent in their deaths.

Alexander F. Tyler stated: 'A Democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover they can vote themselves largess out of the treasury with the result that democracies always collapse over a loose fiscal policy, always to be followed by a dictatorship.

Fisher Ames stated: 'Liberty has never lasted long in a democracy, nor has it ever ended in anything better than despotism.

Samuel Adams stated: 'Democracy never lasts long. It soon wastes itself, exhausts and murders itself. There never was a democracy yet that did not commit suicide.'

There is only one other answer other than breaking up the US,,, a voter ID card where one has to pass a test to get. But it will not happen.

I am grateful for your detailed reply but unable, I am afraid to agree with what you said. In fact, it seems to confirm my point. " were caught flat-footed by many personalities staffing the news, they had earned their reputations in W.W.II."

That is exactly the moral vacuum I was describing. Why did not conservatives see a difference between being a war hero and a leftist scum. My giving to charity does not allow me to rape or plunder. Valor in the battlefield confers no right to destroy the country back home. The lack of moral clarity is what allowed Kronkites of all stripes to become what they were.

"the "Fairness Doctrine" days, the days before modern talk radio. Of course there was no Internet...There were still conservative newspapers though fading fast as TV news took over."

That is precisely my point: it was not media or some party that of a sudden changed the country. What about the PTAs? How many people cared to inspect the textbooks that were given to their children, how many parents questioned what their children's college tuition buys?

And even simpler: where did the leftist media come from? I gave an answer, at least partially, in the previous post: the significant indifference to capitalism and other foundational principles of this country emerged in early XX century -- long before 60's made that explicit. It is at the turn of the XX century that the Constitution was presented as a "living document;" look at the Warren Court of 1950s that proclaimed criminals to be the product of our (mean, as Michele Obama would put it) society. By 1960s, Kronkite was only taking his rightful place. The "Greatest" generation was one of the most amoral in our history. Having survived the Great Depression, it had understandably attached greater value to material possessions. But having won the War, it became untouchable: who could criticize our boys for being materialistic, didn't they deserve it. It is then, in 1940s, that home-ownership replaced freedom as the American Dream. It is that generation that abandoned their communities for extra few square feet in the 'burbs. It is they who started to ship their elderly parents to nursing homes (despite those extra square feet). And it is they who raised the most narcissistic and egotistical children --- the radicals of 1960s.

No, I cannot accept the premise that some evil force changed America: we allowed that force, initially quite weak, to take over by first becoming amoral and indifferent to our founding principles. We met the enemy and it is... we ourselves.

We did know what Cronkite, et al were.. What'd you think we had money to mount PR campaigns? I did not. I did complain to the networks and got back "We're professionals and you're not" responses. I did get letters published in the local paper -- and once got a threat in the mail from a local extremist group. I passed it along the right people.

RE: Warren Court

We knew about the Warren Court. Some with the money posted billboards.

RE: "I cannot accept the premise that some evil force changed America:"

I don't recall that anyone blames some evil force.

If we're going to divide by generation who elected Clinton and Obama? -- and did so in the era when free speech had been restored compared to "the way is was.".

" What'd you think we had money to mount PR campaigns? I did not."

In the picture you paint, only the leftist socialist had the money. Of course you did not have sufficient resources. But what about all those endowments for Universities? Every building -- in fact, individual floors and rooms --- are named after donors. Could they have done something? An even simpler example. The last person who did not subscribe to view of the Constitution as a living document has retired from Harvard Law School around 2000. Today, a student never even hears that Constitution should be interpreted according to the Founding Fathers' intent; this cornerstone of our democracy is not even expressed as an opinion. Yet donations continue unabated. No matter what other scandalous cases we hear, rich donors support their schools without any regard to the subversion they promulgate.

I was not, of course, speaking about you or your group of friends. But the question needs to be answered. Plenty of serious money went to the Republican Party over the eight years of Bush administration. Not one that I heard of demanded to stop the growth of the government (by 56% under Bush), closure of the borders, etc.

You did what you could; it is not a question of this or that individual. But you cannot deny that there exist those with money and other means of power. They have failed to act when it was possible to do so.

We’ve lost the systematic war for the whole, they have infiltrated too much to be removed before its too late. We need to break down this problem in to little “bite sized” parts that we can solve.

Then the war against socialist corruption can be fought on terms favorable to freedom. The terms that enable otherwise freedom loving people to vote with their feet.

We will win our battles when we can and where we can. In those victory we will work to establish strong holds of conservationism and freedom to stand as beacons of freedom to not only the once united States but to all the world.

We will attack the communist monster from the ground up a thousand never ending pin pricks to weaken it and millions of individuals fleeing their communist prison States.(Prisons robed of their confining walls by the inter-state migration of federalism)

The result will be not unlike the collapse of the western Soviet union except slower and more gradual. We will constantly point out their failings how in their arrogant efforts to “help the poor” they merely drive them out of their state all together and into our land of free.

The Western Soviet Union collapse was the collapse of a true communist state. The US is still a constitutional republic that is turning into European socialism. I do not disagree with you, but I predict your theory is being put into practice by the passage of the Arizona Immigration Law, and tougher state laws being implemented to ensure the presidential candidate’s eligibility. The sates will just vote the worthless fed out of relevance, or try to secede which would cause Civil War II. This time the states would be in the right, and they would win.

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