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To: Scanian
Some time ago I published the following reply which was, of course, directed toward a different article and therefore toward a different author but it nevertheless treats of some of the issues raised by the author of the subject article today:

The author is right in the sense that gay intensity is destined to defeat diffuse resistance by the majority of Americans. But the author fails to tell us why there is a lack of intensity of resistance. He failed to tell us that for a likely for the same reason that he fails to connect gay marriage as an agent of damage to conventional marriage. The chain of causation is simply too attenuated.

By way of personal clarification, I have long been posting on these threads That the Frankfurt School has undertaken deliberately to undermine the institution which save a society from communism and primary among those institutions is the institution of marriage and the family. There is no question in my mind whatsoever that the left would like to abolish marriage, deconstruct the family, especially the role of the father as head of the household. But that does not tell me what the causal connection between homosexual marriage is and the destruction of conventional marriage. So long as this connection is murky, resistance to gay marriage will be increasingly diffuse.

Add to that the fact that many conservatives are quite willing to extend many of the benefits of marriage to gays indirectly by the option of exercising a partnership contract, and the damage to conventional marriage becomes even more attenuated.

There is a libertarian wing of the conservative movement which is very reluctant to impinge on personal liberty as an accommodation to the religious views of others. Libertarians get very antsy when social conservatives seek to use the law to impose their religious tenets on the private conduct of others. When that private conduct does not harm some innocent party, many conservatives such as myself are inclined to side with the Libertarians.

Some decades ago it was against the law in Connecticut to use contraceptives. In my view, this was a perfectly constitutional exercise of power by the state but an equally stupid exercise of power by the state. Eventually this intrusion on the rights of adults engaging in consensual private activity began to gnaw on the conscience of society. The Supreme Court disagreed with my view of the constitutionality of the law in Griswold versus Connecticut. I think the Supreme Court was wrong just as I think the state of Connecticut in enacting the law was wrong. Subsequently, the rationale of Griswold was employed to justify the ruling of Roe versus Wade. In the Roe case we have real victims, in fact, we have about 40 to 50 million dead babies. It is hard to think of how victims could be more real than that.

Recently, the Supreme Court has ruled that homosexual activity between consenting adults conducted in private may not be criminalized by the state. Shades of Griswold versus Connecticut. Here again, I don't see any causal connection between two consenting adults sodomites buggering each other in private, and harm to me or mine. Yet, I would uphold the constitutional power of the state to regulate the conduct although I do see a great deal of potential harm in an intrusive government.

I would welcome responses that deal with the issue of public harm caused by gay marriage with a careful exegesis of the architecture of the causation.


5 posted on 06/27/2010 3:38:04 AM PDT by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat, attack!" Bull Halsey)
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To: nathanbedford

Fortunately, we are still able to vote according to our commonsense ability to foresee the unprovable results of our legislation and presidential choices. SCOTUS is not given this prerogative and so will always be battering down the walls of morality, as social results are not provable.

Griswold is seen by many as a cynical, premeditated attack on the unborn. Start with contraception for married people and proceed penumbra by penumbra to the slaughter of human beings.

Tell me I’m wrong about SCOTUS. I know there are precedents for ruling according to tradition and the interest of the state. Yet these principles are vague and legalistic and therefore don’t stand up to the itching ears of the uninformed and licentious—a winning combination that will cause us to lose as a culture.


11 posted on 06/27/2010 4:28:28 AM PDT by firebrand
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To: nathanbedford
“Render unto Caesar the things which are Caesar’s, and unto God the things that are God’s”

Why does the government have any involvement with marriage whatsoever? This is in the purview of the Lord.

Our government was designed to function with an inherently moral people not to provide morality. The idea of government bringing morality to a people is anathema to logical thought - you may as well ask Satan do do it.

21 posted on 06/27/2010 5:32:43 AM PDT by Aevery_Freeman (Fear God and Government - especially when one tries to become the other!)
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To: nathanbedford

I don’t let man decide my moral issues.


39 posted on 06/28/2010 11:11:52 AM PDT by bmwcyle (Communism has arrived in Washington)
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To: nathanbedford

PS End of this discussion.


40 posted on 06/28/2010 11:13:05 AM PDT by bmwcyle (Communism has arrived in Washington)
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To: nathanbedford

PS End of this discussion.


41 posted on 06/28/2010 11:23:04 AM PDT by bmwcyle (Communism has arrived in Washington)
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