Posted on 06/24/2010 8:12:00 PM PDT by nmh
Unruly students have turned some Memphis classrooms into war zones where teachers have been subjected to verbal and physical attacks, according to a school board commissioner who has introduced a resolution to reinstate corporal punishment.
“Teachers, for several years now, have been increasingly agitated by the lack of classroom discipline,” said School Board Commissioner Kenneth Whalum. “It’s out of hand, man.”
Memphis city schools banned corporal punishment five years ago. Since then, according to Whalum, teachers have been subjected to out-of-control kids. “They are being abused,” he said. “Teachers have been hospitalized after getting attacked by middle schoolers. It’s a war zone.”
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Whalum’s resolution has generated a heated debate along the banks of the Mississippi River. “Bringing corporal punishment back to the city schools is a good way to bring discipline to kids who desperately need it,” said Greg Nelson of Cordova. “There is nothing wrong with spanking for discipline. After all, it is Biblical and there is nothing wrong with that.”
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But the Center for Effective Discipline disagrees with that assessment. The Ohio-based organization wants to abolish corporal punishment. According to the center's research, 20 states, mostly in the South, still have some form of corporal punishment.
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Rep. Carolyn McCarthy (D-N.Y.) is expected to introduce a bill on Tuesday that would institute a federal ban on corporal punishment in all American schools.
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“Personal and parental responsibility is what’s needed, not paddles for principals.”
There is no better teaching tool for the issue of personal responsibility than a “Board Of Education” wielded by the coach.
Just who is going to cause this “personal and parental responsibility”?
The parents are even worse than the kids!
Soooo.........take away the threat of being arrested when those parents DO the paddling. Good grief...
Just who is going to cause this “personal and parental responsibility”?
The parents are even worse than the kids!
Good question!
You are right about the “parent(s)”.
This is what LIBERALISM has done to the family.
Timber!
All fall down
Timber!
To the ground
Watch out, ‘cause
The summer gets cold
When the day
Gets too old
“They are being abused,” he said. “Teachers have been hospitalized after getting attacked by middle schoolers. It’s a war zone.”
Maybe I’m wrong here but when you have a problem with middle-schoolers attacking teachers, something more than corporal punishment is needed.
These kids need to be removed from the classroom. It doesn’t matter to me whether they’re sent to an alternative school or expelled - but something needs to be done.
If kids like this are attacking teachers, then more than likely they are causing other disruptions in class too. The classroom needs to be made a place of learning with NO disruptions.
I’m not sure the threat of corporal punishment would have much effect on some of these punks.
I am sure it would. Witnessing the yelps and cries of my buddies about 50 years ago put the fear in me. I tended to the straight and narrow. Most of them figured out the the personal gain was not worth the pain.
One classmate was incorrigible. But he was later diagnosed with some medical condition that just confirmed what we kids knew-—he was immune to pain. He was a brute of a bully—but why not, he was bulletproof.
You beat me to it. So many problems, youth discipline among them, have been made worse in recent years because our society and culture and and standards have gone in a liberal direction.
“Personal and parental responsibility is what’s needed, not paddles for principals.”
In principle, I’m in agreement with Thomas, at least in the matter of parents doing their job. Discipline begins (or should begin) at home. It would eliminate, or at least reduce, a number of the discipline problems.
In reality, good luck with that. I would lay odds the parents whose children are the worst discipline problems are the least likely to make any effort to correct the problem. More likely, they’ll accuse the school of picking on their precious baby unfairly.
As for corporal punishment...I went to an elementary school that allowed it, and I came out unscarred. But it sounds to me like there are bigger problems afoot in the Memphis schools than just unruly behavior. If middle school students are physically assaulting teachers, a paddle probably isn’t going to be enough to solve the problem.
“If middle school students are physically assaulting teachers, a paddle probably isn’t going to be enough to solve the problem.”
Bingo!
Read Post #7. I said the same thing.
“If middle school students are physically assaulting teachers, a paddle probably isn’t going to be enough to solve the problem.”
Some “problems” aren’t going to be “solved”, at least not in any “acceptable” way in these times.
You can’t mill good lumber from bad timber.
What we really need is to abolish government schools. These schools keep the thugs in school because they want the state money for each warm body sitting in a seat for at least part of the day.
Public schools ruined the cities. Middle class parents who could not afford private schools, moved to the suburbs. That left only the very rich, who send their kids to private schools, and the very poor, who have no means to escape, in the cities.
Everything government touches it screws up.
Kenneth Whalum wants to whale ‘em! Might be the best solution, within limits.
In my Junior High in the early 60’s there were a couple of teachers you didn’t fool around with, and whom you didn’t want to have breaking up a fight you were in. I remember one—Mr. Hatch, who was about 6-3, 240 or 250 lbs, and more than a bit sadistic when he had an excuse. Someone like him would be borderline in a corporal punishment environment, which is what I mean by “within limits.”
85% of the The Russian KGB’s USA budget from the 1950s-1970s was for the demoralization of America. They were successful.
Now parents (I mean the ones in question here) are immature, licentious, sex-driven, selfish, government dependents. That was the goal of the Communist Internationalle (V. Lenin; his crowd-—including the leaders of the civil rights movement(s) in the USA), and that is what has been implemented in our country.
Now, state child services ignoramuses take people's children away from them for spanking, or, biblically, the use of the rod. Now the government calls THIS child abuse.
While promoting fornication and sodomy in the United States Armed Forces(!!!), Americans who have a sense of Christian decency, heritage, and values are under attack.
The parents in question here, as you suggest, take no responsibility toward the discipline of their own children. But they were actually trained to be this way precisely by the education system which teaches that government is the supreme parent.
The condition in Memphis schools, and other districts all across the land, was PLANNED, and the plan has worked.
Decent Americans are going to have to turn off the TV and get to work making our government at every level clearly understand that we will no longer accept them as being experts, or even knowledgable as to how we should raise our families.
Those of us who still discipline and rear our families with a sense of history and heritage, and Christian principles, MUST become a movement---a fighting, marching, fearless movement.
We are going to have to set a goal of two to three letters, and two or three phone calls each week to elected representatives, as well as individual and organized visits to their offices.
We must take up open and bold ACTIVISM for RIGHT and RIGHTEOUSNESS.
That's not to say that the students aren't severely lacking in discipline and someone needs to be handing punishments down, but someone needs to clean up the Memphis City schools, first!
I believe it. The parents show up and join in the gang bangs on and off campus.
I’m not sure I’d trust LIBERALS with kids!
LIBERALS got us to this point.
LIBERALS operate on EMOTIONS, so that I would NOT trust them to properly dish out corporal punishment.
Me,either, these days. Back then, a knock or two (of if you were in parochial school, a nun's ruler on the knuckles) were only administered when someone was pretty far out of line. With today's , liberally educated, union ruled NEA teachers, common sense is out the window. I'd expect a detailed punishment code, administered about as stupidly as zero-tolerance for a posession or a plastic gun or soldier toy. It would be badly administered student sharia.
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