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To: aSeattleConservative; friendly_doc; Dr. Eckleburg
You’ve fell prey to the libertarian mindset which says: It’s MY body and MY property, I can do ANYTHING I want with it as long as it doesn’t hurt anyone else (the old “Your right to swing your fist ends where my nose begins” argument). Such simplistic thinking. Libertarians can only see directly in front of them (just to the ash at the end of their doobie), they have no idea the injustices they’re perpetrating upon society.

The Apostle Saint Paul identifies Five Great Harms which it is the Government's Divine Duty to punish under any and all circumstances: Murder, Adultery, Theft, Fraud, and "Covetousness" (see Old Testament Laws regarding covetous Abuse & Malfeasance).

AND THAT'S IT.

If you want to enforce all the Old Testament Moral Laws which Saint Paul does NOT specify as Civil Crimes under the New Testamental grant of Government Authority, howzabout this one:

Blasphemy. Definitely one of the biggies, Biblically.

Judaism, by denying that Christ is God, commits Blasphemy against God.

You going to outlaw Judaism next, pal?

Either stake your claim and take the logic of your argument to its full extent, or else admit you're wrong and go read some more Biblical Theonomy.
You obviously haven't read enough.

150 posted on 06/24/2010 8:32:48 PM PDT by Christian_Capitalist (Taxation over 10% is Tyranny -- 1 Samuel 8:17)
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To: Christian_Capitalist
"If you want to enforce all the Old Testament Moral Laws which Saint Paul does NOT specify as Civil Crimes under the New Testamental grant of Government Authority, howzabout this one:"

Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to fulfill. because I tell you with certainty that until heaven and earth disappear, not one letter or one stroke of a letter will disappear from the Law until everything has been accomplished. - Jesus (Matt 5:17-18)

Last time I checked, heaven and earth are still here..

151 posted on 06/24/2010 10:11:49 PM PDT by DirtyHarryY2K (The Tree of Liberty is long overdue for its natural manure)
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To: Christian_Capitalist
The Apostle Saint Paul identifies Five Great Harms which it is the Government's Divine Duty to punish under any and all circumstances: Murder, Adultery, Theft, Fraud, and "Covetousness" (see Old Testament Laws regarding covetous Abuse & Malfeasance).

AND THAT'S IT.

Ah yes, a Christian libertarian who says "If God didn't SPECIFICALLY speak against it, then it shouldn't be dealt with by civil government." (I've dealt with more than my fair share of your kind). God didn't mention recreational drugs, light up the bong! God doesn't mention pornography, break out the Playboy magazines! Speaking of porno:

If my neighbor wants to look at dirty pictures (of consenting adults) in his basement, that's a Sin -- but if he's not violating anyone else's Person or Property, then that's between him and God.

The question is: should the civil magistrate enforce God's laws when it comes to pornography? The late great R.J. Rushdoony thought so: "the link between pornography and revolutionary totalitarianism is a necessary one. The rise of totalitarianism has always been preceded by moral anarchism... the politics of pornography is a moral anarchism whose purpose is revolution, a revolution against Christian civilization. . . . Certainly new and clearer legislation [against pornography] is *necessary and urgently needed*. . . we need and must have sound legislation" (_Law and Liberty_, pp. 18-20.

Let's look at the "harmless" sin of pornography shall we?

I found these statistics while blogging in a Seattle Times blog regarding a Kent couple that webcammed their 4 year old daughter while raping her.
Every second - $3,075.64 is being spent on pornography
Every second - 28,258 Internet users are viewing pornography
Every second - 372 Internet users are typing adult search terms into search engines
Every 39 minutes: a new pornographic video is being created in the United States
(2006 statistics, it's probably more now).
Link to pornography statistics

Pornography promotes a hedonistic lifestyle that is often highly addictive, harmful to marriages and influences anti-social and sometimes criminal behavior. In the eyes of most women pornography is degrading and highly offensive.

30 years of data connects porn with child molestation 10/2/2009
Morality in Media (MIM) has posted a report online showing a relationship between adult pornography and child molestation.

The report covers various sources -- news articles, court cases, studies, books, and congressional testimony -- published from 1980 to present. Among their findings -- child molesters use adult porn to "groom" their victims; many perpetrators progress from viewing adult porn to viewing child porn; and children imitate with other children the behavior they view in adult porn.

MIM spokesman Bob Peters tells OneNewsNow he hopes to awaken people who are really earnest in their efforts to curb sexual exploitation of children, but who turn their backs on the adult pornography problem.

"...[I]t's kind of counter intuitive, but a lot of people who sexually molest children also look at adult pornography," he states. "They use it for their own arousal.

"They also often use it in the actual crimes," he continues. "And there have been social science studies, surveys of people who commit sexual crimes against children, and during the questioning they'll be asked about the role of pornography -- and many of them will say that they used adult pornography shortly before the crime."

Peters acknowledges that while adult porn is not the full explanation for the crime, it is certainly part of it. Polls over the past decade also show public support for Morality in Media's stance that pornography is harmful.
Link to porn and child molestation

Tell your...ahem..."neighbor" to just say NO! to pornography.

177 posted on 06/25/2010 4:09:14 PM PDT by aSeattleConservative
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To: Christian_Capitalist

Blasphemy in Civil Law:

Blasphemy cognizable by common law is defined by Blackstone to be “denying the being or providence of God, contumelious reproaches of our Saviour Jesus Christ, profane scoffing at the Holy Scripture, or exposing it to contempt or ridicule”. The United States once had many penal statutes against blasphemy, which were declared constitutional as not subversive of the freedom of speech or liberty of the press (Am. and Eng. Ency. of Law, Vol. IV, 582). In the American Decisions (Vol. V, 335) we read that “Christianity being recognized by law therefore blasphemy against God and profane ridicule of Christ or the Holy Scripture are punishable at Common Law”, Accordingly where one uttered the following words “Jesus Christ was a bastard and his mother was a whore”, it was held to be a public offence, punishable by the common law. The defendant found guilty by the court of common pleas of the blasphemy above quoted was sentenced to imprisonment for three months and to pay a fine of five hundred dollars.
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/02595a.htm

As I mentioned in an earlier post, blasphemy laws were once used here in the US.

Regarding your (weak) claim that “Judaism, by denying that Christ is God, commits Blasphemy against God.”:

This case of blasphemy, however, is a specific one, called “the blasphemy against the Holy Spirit” in Matthew 12:31. In Matthew 12:31-32, the Pharisees, having witnessed irrefutable proof that Jesus was working miracles in the power of the Holy Spirit, claimed instead that the Lord was possessed by the demon “Beelzebub” (Matthew 12:24). Now notice that in Mark 3:30 Jesus is very specific about what they did to commit “blasphemy against the Holy Spirit.”

This blasphemy has to do with someone accusing Jesus Christ of being demon-possessed instead of Spirit-filled. As a result, this particular incidence of blasphemy against the Holy Spirit cannot be duplicated today. Jesus Christ is not on earth—He is seated at the right hand of God.
http://www.gotquestions.org/blasphemy-Holy-Spirit.html

Do me a favor and change your name to “Libertarian Capitalist” (you give Christianity a bad rap).


256 posted on 06/26/2010 7:16:18 PM PDT by aSeattleConservative
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