[Sloth]

I love how all of a sudden all these Freepers are Vattel scholars. Good grief, get a life. The Constitution says “natural born citizen.” The most straightforward, common-sense reading of that is a citizen by birth, rather than one ‘naturalized’ at a later time.

[patlin]

common-sense reading of that is a citizen by birth

What is common about owing allegiance to 2 nations from the moment of birth? How was a nation expected to survive if its citizens held dueling allegiances. What would be the outcome should war break out between the 2 states?

Even the English monarch never accepted this. Children born to Englishman were Englishman, PERIOD. Geez, open a book published prior to the 1900’s sometime or for that matter a history book published at the time of the revolution. As the saying goes,

those who are not learned in history are bound to repeat its mistakes!

[edge919]

Citizen by birth does not = natural born citizen. Under statutory laws, you can be a citizen by birth by being born just about anywhere in the world. The Supreme Court used Vattel’s definition in more than one case: NBC = all children born in a country to parents who were its citizens.

[patlin]

subject to the jurisdiction of laws does NOT mean subject to the jurisdiction of the nation as an equal participant in the making of the laws. Therein lies your problem with your interpretation of the definition of citizen at birth. One can not pass onto a child what one does not possess and that is the law of nature and of natures God. Unless & until aliens are given equal rights & representation in our legislative process, they have no authority under law to claim that their children possess that right from birth as the children themselves are not of age to consent to being aliens to their parents and the founders DID NOT have ANY FORM of FEUDAL LAW where the people were slaves to a master ruler.

Sloth = Aversion to work or exertion; laziness; indolence. YEP, that pretty much tells us all we need to know about you dear sloth.