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To: ExTxMarine
How can this sentence be confusing to you?

All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside.

Only diplomats are not under jurisdiction of the United States by treaty. Thus, if you are not under jurisdiction of the United States, you are covered by diplomatic immunity.

The Snyder Act closed the "and subject to the jurisdiction thereof" loophole concerning Indians born on reservations or other native ruled territories that were semi-autonomous.

12 posted on 06/22/2010 4:49:23 PM PDT by Anitius Severinus Boethius
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To: Anitius Severinus Boethius
and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside.

LOL....here, let me give this a shot......

CITIZENS, NOT NATURAL BORN CITIZENS

20 posted on 06/22/2010 4:56:26 PM PDT by Las Vegas Ron ("Because without America, there is no free world" - Canada Free Press - MSM, where are you?)
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To: Anitius Severinus Boethius

“The Snyder Act closed the ‘and subject to the jurisdiction thereof’ loophole concerning Indians born on reservations or other native ruled territories that were semi-autonomous.”

So, to you, a portion of the 14th Amendment was a “loophole” where as I belief it was INTENTIONALLY written to exclude people who are not ONLY subject to the jurisdiction of the United States!

If you read the writings and arguments concerning this Amendment, during discussions it was brought up that illegals and Indians would NOT be given citizenship with this amendment!

You see, you and so many other nitwit liberals decided to close a “loophole” which was specifically written to exclude people who do not have complete allegiance and are solely subject to the jurisdiction of the United States.


27 posted on 06/22/2010 5:04:59 PM PDT by ExTxMarine (Hey Congress: Go Conservative or Go Home!)
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To: Anitius Severinus Boethius
Only diplomats are not under jurisdiction of the United States by treaty

The US State Dept site very plainly says the US does NOT have a Law legalizing dual citizenship. They merely turn a bling eye to the law on the books by allowing citizens to hold citizenship in other countries.

The Expatriation Act of 1868 has NEVER BEEN REPEALED! PERIOD!

whereas it is claimed that such American citizens, with their descendants, are subjects of foreign states, owing allegiance to the governments thereof; and whereas it is necessary to the maintenance of public peace that this claim of foreign allegiance should be promptly and finally disavowed...That any declaration, instruction, opinion, order, or decision of any officers of this government which denies, restricts, impairs, or questions the right of expatriation, is hereby declared inconsistent with the fundamental principles of this government.

Expatriation Act of July 27, 1868

Furthermore, the US State Dept has this to say:

http://travel.state.gov/travel/cis_pa_tw/cis/cis_1753.html

The concept of dual nationality means that a person is a citizen of two countries at the same time. Each country has its own citizenship laws based on its own policy.Persons may have dual nationality by automatic operation of different laws rather than by choice. For example, a child born in a foreign country to U.S. citizen parents may be both a U.S. citizen and a citizen of the country of birth.

A U.S. citizen may acquire foreign citizenship by marriage, or a person naturalized as a U.S. citizen may not lose the citizenship of the country of birth.U.S. law does not mention dual nationality or require a person to choose one citizenship or another. Also, a person who is automatically granted another citizenship does not risk losing U.S. citizenship. However, a person who acquires a foreign citizenship by applying for it may lose U.S. citizenship. In order to lose U.S. citizenship, the law requires that the person must apply for the foreign citizenship voluntarily, by free choice, and with the intention to give up U.S. citizenship.

Intent can be shown by the person's statements or conduct.

Not only does the state dept lie by saying that there is no law mentioning dual citizenship, they then contradict themselves. Ya gotta love it when they trip all over themselves. This WILL come back to BITE THEM!

81 posted on 06/22/2010 6:30:09 PM PDT by patlin (Ignorance is Bliss for those who choose to wear rose colored glasses)
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