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VLS Underway Replenishment: When will the Navy get serious?
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| 06/06/2010
| Craig Hooper
Posted on 06/12/2010 8:56:05 PM PDT by ErnstStavroBlofeld
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To: 1COUNTER-MORTER-68; Mr. Mojo; James C. Bennett; mowowie; Captain Beyond
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posted on
06/12/2010 8:57:13 PM PDT
by
ErnstStavroBlofeld
( "Fortes fortuna adiuvat"-Fortune Favors the Strong)
To: sonofstrangelove
I’ve always wondered about this exact problem, it seems like a huge vulnerability,
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posted on
06/12/2010 8:57:22 PM PDT
by
gura
(If Allah is so great, why does he need fat sexually confused fanboys to do his dirty work? -iowahawk)
To: gura
I have always wondered about the wisdom of broadcasting this to the world. I understand it’s no doubt declasified, but to serve it up on a silver platter at the click of a mouse seems, well, foolish. China doesn’t blurt out over all creation the weak points of their military hardware.
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posted on
06/12/2010 9:01:38 PM PDT
by
SpaceBar
To: SpaceBar
It seems that this problem and mentioned since the fall 1988 issue of the long-unheralded UNREP Journal
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posted on
06/12/2010 9:05:50 PM PDT
by
ErnstStavroBlofeld
( "Fortes fortuna adiuvat"-Fortune Favors the Strong)
To: gura
Would there be much left of the enemy after an Aegis shoots its load in sh*t storm mode?
I suppose we will need missile tenders.
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posted on
06/12/2010 9:06:30 PM PDT
by
Candor7
(Obama .......yes.......is a fascist... ...He meets every diagnostic of history)
To: sonofstrangelove
ARRRGH !!
Preparation is the key to success ! Jeez.
Will we ever freaking learn ??
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posted on
06/12/2010 9:06:42 PM PDT
by
onona
(dbada)
To: gura
It was intended that VLS be reloaded at sea (there were even design provisions to do so in the VLS) for a variety of reasons it was never fielded. One of those things I’ve been aware of, but have never really looked into the details - the history of this goes back a LONG way.
It’s not exactly a secret that VLS can’t be reloaded at sea.
Same is true of why the Harpoon missile has never been adapted to VLS.
To: SpaceBar
China has built it’s own VLS system, I wonder if it’s more easily reloadable. A cursory Google search didn’t give me an answer.
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posted on
06/12/2010 9:25:41 PM PDT
by
gura
(If Allah is so great, why does he need fat sexually confused fanboys to do his dirty work? -iowahawk)
To: sonofstrangelove
Curious. IIRC we are talking deployment in the ‘80’s of this technology, and we are talking of the problem being from the git-go I believe. (somebody correct me if I’m wrong)
Being the timing it is, I would believe we have another screw-up from the infamous Jimmy Carter era once again.
But why is it still a problem with no fix?
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posted on
06/12/2010 9:30:16 PM PDT
by
rockinqsranch
(The Left draws criminals as excrement draws flies. The Left IS a criminal organization.)
To: rockinqsranch
Because we would rather reward the scum of this country with welfare cks food stamps abortion on demand and bailing out crap hole countries around the world
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posted on
06/12/2010 9:37:08 PM PDT
by
al baby
(Hi Mom sarc ;))
To: gura
Especially if Guam or Diego Garcia or wherever you thought you’d sail several days to get to for a reload might have been wiped out or put out of action by an enemy missile strike. What then? You’ll have an empty ship all the way back to CONUS next month, that’s what.
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posted on
06/12/2010 9:54:21 PM PDT
by
Travis McGee
(---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
To: sonofstrangelove
The problem is that the VLS Canisters are too big to move forward and aft. We had vert rep pads near the VLS, so I suspect with the onboard crane and a vert rep we could replenish in a pinch.
The real issue is transfering the VLS Canister from a Helo to the crane, the VLS Canisters are too heavy to carry or move without that. They would need to be able to take the VLS Canister from the Helo and transfer it directly to the cranes.
The cranes suck too, because they don’[t have a long range, the Helo would have to drop the VLS Canister directly onto the VLS where the crane would grab it.
The Navy doesn’t want to take the risk that a Helo will drop a loaded VLS Canister right onto the magazine, this would be bad.
If they were willing to accept the risk, then they could pull it off, but they aren’t.
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posted on
06/12/2010 10:15:12 PM PDT
by
dila813
To: Candor7
Would there be much left of the enemy after an Aegis shoots its load in sh*t storm mode? Remember, most of those are defensive anti air or anti missile missiles. There could very well be a second, third or fourth wave of attackers. Especially from countries who may have a bit lower tech, but larger numbers of aircraft and missiles. It doesn't help you much if you get 95 hits out of 100 launches, if you have 100 missiles, and the enemy sends 200 attackers, even if they do it in well separated waves. If you don't have anything left to shoot at 'em, you're dead meat.
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posted on
06/12/2010 10:48:19 PM PDT
by
El Gato
("The second amendment is the reset button of the US constitution"-Doug McKay)
To: El Gato
Thabks. Now I see the tactical problem.
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posted on
06/12/2010 10:59:49 PM PDT
by
Candor7
(Obama .......yes.......is a fascist... ...He meets every diagnostic of history)
To: sonofstrangelove
IMHO : With the range of these missiles(1,000+miles) they canshoot-n-scoot far out of range of the bad guys,,,
Don't forget the subs,,,
Nav-Air also comes into play,,,
Then the B-52’s can hit any spot on earth in 12 hours,,,
Add B-1 and B-2 bombers,,,
How do they get food/etc. to the ships at sea ?,,,
A tenders or choppers or head for port,,,
I don't see any other way...
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posted on
06/13/2010 12:12:40 AM PDT
by
1COUNTER-MORTER-68
(THROWING ANOTHER BULLET-RIDDLED TV IN THE PILE OUT BACK~~~~~)
To: 1COUNTER-MORTER-68
Nav-Air also comes into play,,,
Yup. People need to remember that the USN operates a layered defense, with Aegis/SM as the middle layer in most cases. In an environment where an enemy could possible saturate Aegis, there WILL be a carrier involved. So inbound aircraft and cruise missiles would first have to penetrate the CAP: F/A-18s with AIM-120 AMRAAMs. Then Aegis gets to take a crack at them, followed by Sea Sparrow, RAM and finally Phalanx/RBOC ... with ECM operating pretty much throughout (EA-6Bs/EA-18Gs then ship-borne).
Ballistic missiles are a different story, countermeasures put more of an emphasis on Aegis to hit an inbound. Then again, the ability of a ballistic missile to hit a maneuvering warship or strike group at sea isn't all that great.
To: rockinqsranch
Curious. IIRC we are talking deployment in the 80s of this technology, and we are talking of the problem being from the git-go I believe. (somebody correct me if Im wrong)
The Flight II Ticonderogas (the ones with VLS, starting with USS Bunker Hill) had VLS-reload cranes. They took up three VLS-cells worth of space on each end, and were determined in operation to be impractical relative to the loss of six cells (total) - so they were left of the Burkes.
To: tanknetter
Hey,there,,,Great post,,,
I guess most folks don’t understand the range of these weapons,,,
And the point that a Carrier Strike Group covers a 1,000 miles of ocean...
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posted on
06/13/2010 1:00:02 AM PDT
by
1COUNTER-MORTER-68
(THROWING ANOTHER BULLET-RIDDLED TV IN THE PILE OUT BACK~~~~~)
To: 1COUNTER-MORTER-68
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posted on
06/13/2010 1:01:39 AM PDT
by
ErnstStavroBlofeld
( "Fortes fortuna adiuvat"-Fortune Favors the Strong)
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