Truthfully, many of us have friends/family who are openly gay, and while we may not like the idea of marriage, we are resigned to the fact that they are going to live together and there will be some legal way that they will be united. Personally I think that marriage will be a church issue and people will be joined in some sort of contract type thing (civil union?) where they will decide how property will be divided etc. I don’t see much we can do about it anyway.
“Truthfully, many of us have friends/family who are openly gay, and while we may not like the idea of marriage, we are resigned to the fact that they are going to live together and there will be some legal way that they will be united. Personally I think that marriage will be a church issue and people will be joined in some sort of contract type thing (civil union?) where they will decide how property will be divided etc. I don’t see much we can do about it anyway.
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Agreed
I agree with you.
We must separate church and state. If the state is going to sanction a marriage, I don’t feel they can discriminate because of gender. I do think they can and should put controls on age and number.
That said, the church should be able to sanction marriage for the purposes of the church in whatever way they feel is appropriate.
And one should not be able to enforce their will on the other.
The homosexual agenda is about much, much more than “marriage”. Plus, they want marriage to change society, as noted below (sorry I put these together some without all source data):
(Oh, and having love for a family member or friend doesn’t mean we have to love everything they think, do or believe. Unless we want to have no principles other than sentiment.)
From LA Times of March 12: ...
“Divided over gay marriage” by Roy Rivenburg Paula Ettelbrick, a law professor who runs the International Gay & Lesbian Human Rights Commission, recommends legalizing a wide variety of marriage alternatives, including polyamory, or group wedlock. An example could include a lesbian couple living with a sperm-donor father, or a network of men and women who share sexual relations.
One aim, she says, is to break the stranglehold that married heterosexual couples have on health benefits and legal rights. The other goal is to “push the parameters of sex, sexuality and family, and in the process transform the very fabric of society.” ... [snip]
An excerpt from: In Their Own Words: The Homosexual Agenda:
“Homosexual activist Michelangelo Signorile, who writes periodically for The New York Times, summarizes the agenda in OUT magazine (Dec/Jan 1994):
“A middle ground might be to fight for same-sex marriage and its benefits and then, once granted, redefine the institution of marriage completely, to demand the right to marry not as a way of adhering to society’s moral codes, but rather to debunk a myth and radically alter an archaic institution... The most subversive action lesbian and gay men can undertake —and one that would perhaps benefit all of society—is to transform the notion of family entirely.”
“Its the final tool with which to dismantle all sodomy statues, get education about homosexuality and AIDS into the public schools and in short to usher in a sea change in how society views and treats us.”
Chris Crain, the editor of the Washington Blade has stated that all homosexual activists should fight for the legalization of same-sex marriage as a way of gaining passage of federal anti-discrimination laws that will provide homosexuals with federal protection for their chosen lifestyle.
Crain writes: “...any leader of any gay rights organization who is not prepared to throw the bulk of their efforts right now into the fight for marriage is squandering resources and doesn’t deserve the position.” (Washington Blade, August, 2003).
Andrew Sullivan, a homosexual activist writing in his book, Virtually Normal, says that once same-sex marriage is legalized, heterosexuals will have to develop a greater “understanding of the need for extramarital outlets between two men than between a man and a woman.”
He notes: “The truth is, homosexuals are not entirely normal; and to flatten their varied and complicated lives into a single, moralistic model is to miss what is essential and exhilarating about their otherness.” (Sullivan, Virtually Normal, pp. 202-203)
Paula Ettelbrick, a law professor and homosexual activist has said:
“Being queer is more than setting up house, sleeping with a person of the same gender, and seeking state approval for doing so. . Being queer means pushing the parameters of sex, sexuality, and family; and in the process, transforming the very fabric of society. . We must keep our eyes on the goals of providing true alternatives to marriage and of radically reordering society’s view of reality.” (partially quoted in “Beyond Gay Marriage,”
Stanley Kurtz, The Weekly Standard, August 4, 2003)
Evan Wolfson has stated:
“Isn’t having the law pretend that there is only one family model that works (let alone exists) a lie? . marriage is not just about procreation-indeed is not necessarily about procreation at all. “(quoted in “What Marriage Is For,” by Maggie Gallagher, The Weekly Standard, August 11, 2003)
Mitchel Raphael, editor of the Canadian homosexual magazine Fab, says:
“Ambiguity is a good word for the feeling among gays about marriage. I’d be for marriage if I thought gay people would challenge and change the institution and not buy into the traditional meaning of ‘till death do us part’ and monogamy forever. We should be Oscar Wildes and not like everyone else watching the play.” (quoted in “Now Free To Marry, Canada’s Gays Say, ‘Do I?’” by Clifford Krauss, The New York Times, August 31, 2003)
1972 Gay Rights Platform Demands: “Repeal of all legislative provisions that restrict the sex or number of persons entering into a marriage unit.”
[Also among the demands was the elimination of all age of consent laws.]
Exactly..
I am a conservative Christian and I don’t see a problem with “civil” unions. Just do not call it a marriage under God.
There are a couple bible concepts that I live by…
Hate the sin, but love the sinner and removing planks from my eyes before judging.
I admit, I break all 10 commandments regularly. And homosexuality isn’t even in the top 10 – who am I to judge??
Yes. That’s my position also. Committed gay couples do need protection in the form of domestic partnership contracts, etc.
Once they have that legal document, they can devise any kind of blessing or ceremony they so desire.