[Vigilanteman]

Like the Lincoln and preacher story, I'm not so sure if it is a sinful nature or sinful nurture. Lying to avoid punishment is a learned behavior, albeit very early in life.

It is an interesting theological/philosophical debate. But I'm not so sure that it makes a great deal of difference since babies are born into a world which is so corrupt, it is only a matter of time before the nurture dominates the nature anyway.

[stuartcr]

Isn’t what you consider corrupt, just reality? Outside of the Garden of Eden story, when has the world not been ‘corrupt’?