Posted on 06/02/2010 5:18:17 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
I hear the new Windows Home Server is going to be based on Server 2008, and that many are touting its use not just in the home, but also for a (very) small business network.
Sound good to me, as some of the features of WHS are much better for a non-pro like me, versus Server 2003.
Your opinion?
You made a comparative statement that Windows 7 is the best. You can't honestly do that unless you've tried the other major OSs. Had you qualified it, "Windows 7 is the best Microsoft OS" you would have grounds to make the claim, and you would have a lot of agreement.
In addition, I don't ned to use SX to know that OSX doesn't run MW2, Bioshock 2, Mass Effect 2 and a a whole host of AAA games out of the box.
I game on consoles. However, Valve Steam is now out on OS X, with some big AAA games available on release, with more to come.
Ummm..OEM’s shipped Vista and XP as default too, and still never came even close to that number of sales in that time period.
One, the market wasn't as big when XP came out, less than half the size. Two, Vista sucked so people refused it. Remember the downgrade I talked about? Windows 7 has such numbers because it is a decent OS in a large market channel.
Those are not OEM buys.
Historically, around 80% of Windows sales are OEM. Take the situation where all major OEMs started to offer Windows 7 (which they did) and consumers don't resoundingly reject it (as they did with Vista). Given that 300 million PCs were shipped in 2009, 90-something percent of them Windows, the 100 million number was going to come very quickly, no matter what.
XP is far less secure than Vista or Win 7.
So far I've downloaded countless security updates for it so not much has changed.
Now in a world drowning in stupid Applebot posts, that one takes the cake.
Look, drive-by shooting is fine...as long as you confine it to the hood.
I know a certain organization with over 10,000 workstations that purposely skipped over Vista. They are still on XP, looking to go to Windows 7. They had the money to upgrade to Vista, just not the desire due to the problems with Vista.
What really matters is on the back end. I've noticed a serious drop in app crashes and other system irregularities on my Win 2008 boxes. I have two Domain controllers for my network. PDC is a 2003 box. BDC is a 2008 running on a VM partition. I'm also running a 2007 Exchange, Norton 12 for backups to a tape silo, various security systems, media distribution, and associated crap.
I haven't played with the 08 Home server. If it's mostly a media server, flash cache, proxy, and some lite-account management for file sharing... It should run just fine. Where it could be really useful for the home hobbyist would be the installation wizards. These can seriously simplify configuration and management tasks. Historically, these have been fairly retarded and limited. Lately, on R2 and Win 7, they actually seem to do what they are supposed to. Go figure.
No, it's not. That would be Linux.
And oh..Win 7 sold a staggering 100 MILLION units in just 2 months. That's by far the fastest selling OS in history (desktop, mobile, server, whatever).
Might does not make right.
I only had maybe a dozen users here using it. I switched every one of them off Vista and on to Win7 the day it was available.
Every single one of them continue to thank me for it to this day.
I was at AMD in a CPG lab when we got the Longhorn Alpha. I helped with some of the early WHQL qual/debug on it for 64-bit apps.
Vista was CRAP. Win 7 r0x0rz.
Consumers disagree with you:
“Windows 7 helps Microsoft hit record customer satisfaction score
Windows 7 has fueled a surge of goodwill toward Microsoft, with the company's customer satisfaction ratings reaching a record high in Q1, according to a new American Customer Satisfaction Index survey”
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2515919/posts
Microsoft achieved their highest satisfaction rating with consumers EVER, after Win 7 was released. I happen to agree with the prevailing consumers opinion.
“So far I've downloaded countless security updates for it so not much has changed.”
You are kidding right?
The security of an OS is in how many security break-ins that OS experiences when its in very wide use (like Win 7 is right now), as compared to other OS’s.
When did downloading security update become equal to how secure an OS is?
Going by your theory, OSX is very insecure because they had a download for a massive 45 security holes in just one update alone:
Apple megapatch plugs 45 security holes
http://news.cnet.com/1770-5_3-0.html?query=apple+security+hole&tag=srch&searchtype=news
Print drive issues is NOT malware. New print drivers for Vista came out pretty rapidly in the months after vista launched. I bought a Vista laptop not long after Vista launched. Had no problems with my wifi at all, and I am online all the time.
Security huh?
Vista was more secure than XP. In fact it was the security of Vista which was in part responsible for breaking lots of XP programs.
You got any more Applebot crap to spew out?
Will you excuse me while I laugh?
“Might does not make right.”
Sour losers always say that.
America is mightier than the Taliban. So tell me, who is right?
That spike was temporary. There was a lot of customer dissatisfaction with Vista. It was not well received. Not long after the release of Vista, Microsoft's profits began to decline. Win 7 seems to have corrected a lot of the problems that Vista had.
Well, I was one of those people who bought Vista, and I was disappointed in the OS.
Here is a chart of operating income that compares MS and Apples: CHART OF THE DAY. Apple has a much lower share of the market, and yet is a very profitable company. Investors are putting their money on Apple. When MS profits were in decline, Apple's profits were surging. Investors are putting their money on Apple.
You’re forgetting the experience many people had with Vista, it was horrible. Out of the box Win 7 works as good as XP does after three service packs so it’s quite reasonable that Microsoft would be seeing an uptick in positive reviews. But for those of us who consider ourselves power users Windows 7 is nothing to write home about unless you’re into the touch screen.
Ahem, Steve - a decline in Windows popularity does not necessarily mean an increase in the popularity of your OS.
I Boot Camp Win7 on my iMac. I still prefer OS X. I can say that running Win7 and XP side by side in VMs, each with the same resources and settings, Win7 is more responsive.
End user management, content filtering, group policy changes, and server side resource management on the XServs in OD is a friggin' nightmare.
Admins used to one platform tend to say that about other platforms they're forced to support, and that they're not very experienced with. That you said "group policy" tells me you come from a Windows background and aren't too familiar with the Mac, since you use the Windows term to describe Workgroup Manger in the Mac system.
That is unless you had a typo and meant you're trying to manage OS X through AD, in which case it still shows you're a Windows guy. Of course the two systems don't play perfectly with each other. An admin of a Mac network would probably be complaining about managing the Windows systems he has.
It is when it causes the entire system to crash.
Don't even get me started on Cisco VPN softwares seeming inability to run on Vista, but the same thing installs fine on both XP and Win 7.
Vista was more secure in that it constantly asked you to confirm everything it ever did, and half the time wouldn't let you do it anyway. Even after supposedly shutting off the program execution monitor or running everything as a local Admin.
I think it's idiotic to call an MCSE/N+/S+/A+/CCNA with Windows experience back to Win 2.0 an "Applebot". I'm a relative new comer to the OSX scene and I don't think it's any better than any other tarted up Linux distro I've ever played with.
You might wanna stop shooting at folks on YOUR side of this debate.
By any reasonable measure, Vista sucked. Period.
Main system is an AD Domain. We're running an OD in a "golden triangle". It's more like a "golden shower" as the OD pisses on you if you change anything about the AD forest at all.
Further, simple account management things... like setting a global default webpage for the student accounts, is apparently nearly impossible on the Mac side. There are huge scripts you can weld on to an OD account to achieve this simple task, but most aren't worth it and create other issues.
In AD, it's one line in a GP and you can change it for a Group.
If you don't get fancy with it, OD works just fine. The minute you start integrating environments, you run into every Linux-like nightmare management task possible. Some of them almost seem to be deliberate.
Vista sales continued to outpace any other OS in history right until Win 7 was launched actually.
“There was a lot of customer dissatisfaction with Vista. It was not well received”
Most of Vista's issues were resolved with SP1, and higher spec computers with more RAM and more powerful CPU’s in its second year.
” Not long after the release of Vista, Microsoft's profits began to decline”
Microsoft's profits declined last year, which was long after Vista had launched. It had nothing to do with Vista, and everything to do with yhe massive global recession which sent IT spending plummeting all across the globe.
“Apple has a much lower share of the market, and yet is a very profitable company’
So is Microsoft. And Microsoft makes more profits than Apple does.
“When MS profits were in decline, Apple's profits were surging”
Microsoft had their highest quarterly profits ever in Q 2 2009, with $19.02 billion in revenues and a massive $6.66 Billion in net profits.
http://www.microsoft.com/msft/earnings/fy10/earn_rel_q2_10.mspx
It's basically a workgroup-level server with a simplified user interface for managing users, shares, etc. Home Server taking on some Media Center role is still just a rumor AFAIK.
Wireless devices, media content storage and presentation, account management, etc... Depends on how MS set things up. Especially as screwy as they have gotten with licensing.
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