Posted on 05/31/2010 9:08:23 PM PDT by GonzoII
Blessings to you, it seems only someone who has to deal with a decision of this sort can really understand and sadly, as I mentioned above, I went through this last October with my husband, I think people need to stop playing armchair judge in the Coleman case, unless they have actually been there... they are clueless and cruel.
probably... with the technology today they know pretty quickly what the options are and depending on where the bleed takes place how devastating the injury to the brain is.
You know what! In this case you are clueless, unless you have sat there watching blood sugars escalate at an alarming rate, blood pressure at an alarming rate, temps at an alarming rate as they pump more and more steroids, insulin, and other drugs into the body to stop this all the while that part of the brain which controls that function is damaged beyond repair, unless you have had to help pack your loved one in ice to try and drop their temps as nothing else helped, or to know they brain bleed was so severe it moved the spinal column to the side and he bled into the spinal column then you don’t know what the hell you are talking about and speculation on the right or wrong of removing from live support is ignorant.
I couldn’t either.....God’s peace to you Gary C......you had a tough mountain to climb in life...
Check your blood glucose level. You responded to the wrong poster.
Generally, I can go with that. Universally? Nope.
And even in the general case, one has to be careful.
Like so many aspects of this, you have to be very careful. In some cases, they won't rescuscitate you, but will jam the tube down, hook you up to the breathing machine, and start the billings.
Don’t they look lovey-dovey.
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I think you’re right. Many who said the most horrid things during the ordeal Mr. and Mrs. Schiavo endured were those who had never been in a similar situation.
You, for example, called Mr. Schiavo a “sick cookie”...yet we now see your words: “I think people need to stop playing armchair judge in the Coleman case, unless they have actually been there... they are clueless and cruel.”
My hope is that people can start to understand the situation via empathy WITHOUT having to endure it themselves.
Well, they seem to be intent on prolonging the reach of Roe v. Wade into the states, for one thing.
And I don't think they'd be happy if people made no decision about avoiding that tree that's fallen across the road.
I think there is a difference in hooking someone who is still very much alive up to a machine and killing them on purpose... we did euthanize one of our dogs and while we knew it was the right thing for him, it was still very difficult, I have mixed feelings in humans because of the potential that it could be abused, but can see situations where it would be humane because I have seen people in situations I would not want to exist and if it was me I'd hope someone gave me the needle.... neither is the same as taking a loved-one off life support when all signs were that is the only reason he's breathing... < P>
it's a very complex issue, isn't it?
You have no idea if its an issue or not.
This woman wasn't playing with a full deck to begin with (hello, she MARRIED Gary Coleman)
No telling what the circumstances of the fall or the hasty decision were, FACTS have not come out.
This woman is also a non-issue....there are/were doctors involved. As others on this thread who appear to be knowledgeable, have so eloquently stated, this kind of thing doesn’t occur in a vacuum.
You have read the rest of this thread haven’t you?
Are you a Coleman relative?
Are you the local district attorney?
Why? Because hospitals have heavy liability responsibilities...and if no one tells staff a patients wishes, they treat them. Period.
I've also seen family overrule patients DNR wishes....It happens more often than you might think.
FWIW-
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