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The fact that a reputable journal such as Bioethics would feature an article promoting ODE illustrates how deeply our moral sensibilities against killing have already eroded. They eroded as a result of past proposals to make ‘exceptions’ to the norm against killing in the delivery of health care.

We're much farther down the slippery slope than most people realize.

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[Psycho_Bunny]

People so attached to life they would participate in this are people the world could really do without.

[trumandogz]

The organ donation system needs to be altered so that those who have already signed Donor Cards will have priority if and when they need a donated organ and in order to save the government, hospitals and insurance companies money of costly transplants, donated organs should only go to those people who can pay the full cost of an organ transplant.

[MontanaBeth]

This will make me change my donor status on my DL, what a crazy world it is today.

[BykrBayb]

How do they figure this will make more people want to donate organs? I think they could increase organ donations by allowing donors to keep their organs until they’re done using them. Are there really people out there who would be more likely to donate their organs if they knew the organs are removed while they’re still using them? What if we could donate our organs while we’re awake? Would that be another incentive?

[Haiku Guy]

NJ is an "opt-out" state. You are presumed to give permission for the use of your organs, not only for lifesaving treatment, but also for training and study. My Favorite Liberal was giving me a hard time aboutnot being an organ donor until I read her that part of the NJ law.

[browniexyz]

The Chinese harvest organs from prisoners, etc., according to Chinese thought about the “value” of the lives of the donors—of course, they have no Judeo-Christian notions of bioethics to create a problem with doing so.

[bboop]

Yes. Who realized that signing an organ donor card, which seems so innocent and giving, would hasten your own demise?

It is very vile.

[Noumenon]

Monstrous.

[floriduh voter]

Without getting too far off the track, remember the Exhibit of plasticized bodies called “Bodies” that was created in China? I’m sure they all volunteered to be plasticized and shipped to Amerika for gawkers. Heinous exhibit.

[Oceander]

"However, it is difficult to see why a patient is morally harmed or has their rights violated if they are actively killed, compared with a state of affairs where they die as a result of treatment withdrawal, assuming that they have consented to either."

Putting all other arguments against this stupid piece of idiocy masquerading as intelligent thought, the quoted sentence is one of the core problems with this sort of nonsense. The game is always unpacking the assumptions - if you grant someone their assumptions, they can get you to agree to almost anything, including your own execution.

The basic real-world problem with fruitcakes like this is that, in reality, it becomes almost impossible to really prove that the assumed consent was, in fact, given, and not revoked (and I am intentionally setting aside the arguments about whether a rational sentient being could really "consent" to its own execution in a way that ought to be respected).

The classic liberal scenario is always some bright, cheerful, Rockwellian setup, with the executee in full command and control of his or her faculties, making a "loving, caring, informed, educated, intelligent" decision that is carefully and unambiguously memorialized, and then never regretted or changed, and carefully followed-through on to the exact iota by the doctors and attendants.

That only occurs in liberal Norman Rockwell fantasies; it never occurs in real life. Instead, there are enough ambiguities and the like in almost every situation that it becomes not only possible, but probable, that any scheme of arranged euthanasia becomes a useful subterfuge for murder. And not just any murder, but one of the more heinous sorts - the murder of a vulnerable, fragile, mentally weak elderly relative by the greedy, grasping youngster who stands to inherit everything if only that elderly relative can be shuffled off their mortal coil before they (a) blow all the money on their care, or (b) change their will because they've caught onto the youngster's greed.

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[exDemMom]

I not only selected “No” on the organ donor card, but (since it is so easy to separate from the driver’s license) I write “Not an organ donor” on the back of my license.

I find the idea of hoping and praying that a person who is alive and healthy right now will die so that some unhealthy person can get their organs incredibly immoral.

There’s also the issue that if that unhealthy person goes on to have kids, they may very well be passing on whatever made them unhealthy to begin with. I don’t find that very moral, either.