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The fishermen and the tax man (No BP reimbursement without tax returns)
LA Times ^ | May 30, 2010 | Louis Sahagun

Posted on 05/30/2010 8:29:05 AM PDT by Second Amendment First

BP's request for tax records poses a problem for some residents of fishing communities in southeastern Louisiana — the nonconformists who haven't kept records or reported their cash income.

The first step for a commercial fisherman or coastal business seeking compensation for losses suffered in the oil spill seems simple enough: Submit copies of a commercial fishing license, proof of residence and tax statements.

But the request for tax records poses a serious challenge to some residents of close-knit fishing communities on the swampy edges of southeastern Louisiana, which for generations have harbored self-reliant nonconformists who don't pay much heed to everyday rules and regulations.

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1 posted on 05/30/2010 8:29:05 AM PDT by Second Amendment First
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To: Second Amendment First
nonconformists who don't pay much heed to everyday rules and regulations.

They would fit in well in Washington, D.C.

2 posted on 05/30/2010 8:37:05 AM PDT by layman (Card Carrying Infidel)
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So they have been cheating on their taxes all their lives and now it’s come back to bite them? Not by the government, but rather a private company? Shrewd move by BP.

Wonder how the Alaskan fisherman got compensated for Exxon Valdez?


3 posted on 05/30/2010 8:43:48 AM PDT by blue state conservative
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To: Second Amendment First
self-reliant nonconformists who don't pay much heed to everyday rules and regulations.

Well, I guess the can keep up that self-reliance then.

I didn't read the full article, I will admit that, but my take is these pockets are cash only and they live off the books
I see some of the same behavior from carpenters, construction contractors, tree "Dr's" and the likes here in Western PA. One price for a bid when a check is involved, another lower price when cash is involved (working off the books paying no taxes on that income). I'm sure you know the type; wive's driving nice acura's, 2.5 soccer kids in tow while on the cell phone and starbucks in hand. Husbands driving the nice F350's, utility shells and the works. Couple plus acre's of land and nice houses. All that and worth only 60k on paper.

I don't like the tax laws anymore than the next family. But I sure as hell have no love lost for those playing games under the table while the rest of us pull their share. You play that game and get caught with your shorts down; the first place you should go crying to is a mirror.

4 posted on 05/30/2010 8:44:44 AM PDT by Michael Barnes (Call me when the bullets start flying.)
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""That puts you in the system," he said. "If the numbers don't add up, people who have not been paying taxes are going to regret it." "

I run a small business. I hate taxes.

I pay them, though. And I pay more than I should, in part because other people don't pay them.

I am digging deep for sympathy, and finding pocket lint.

5 posted on 05/30/2010 8:46:15 AM PDT by Gorzaloon (CNN:AP:etc:Today, President Obama's stool was firm and well-formed. One end was slightly pointed. ")
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To: Second Amendment First

And notice that the politicians are supporting the tax cheaters.

Now if I cheat on my taxes, I these very same politicians will howl for jail time.


6 posted on 05/30/2010 8:48:56 AM PDT by CurlyDave
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"...self-reliant nonconformists...." Right, we saw how self reliant these parasites were during Katrina. Now we find a bunch more who have been feeding off the country without paying anything to help pull their weight. Whaddasupprise.

BP needs to hold a strong line. No doubt these scammers and cheats are already yammering at the door.

7 posted on 05/30/2010 8:51:05 AM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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Shrewd move by BP.

Yep, additionally, BP should let 'em know that the 1099 they give 'em with the reimbursement will be submitted to IRS WITH all the backing records, so the IRS can compare records, if it wishes.

8 posted on 05/30/2010 8:52:25 AM PDT by Navy Patriot (Sarah and the Conservatives will rock your world.)
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To: Michael Barnes

It’s not even funny anymore that those who scream loudest when a disaster happens are the very ones who HAVE cheated honest hard working Americans again and again. They pride themselves on cheating and taking and taking and taking and pass this on to the next generation who see them profiting from their illegal activity. Cash is king thanks to illegal activity on many levels.

I’m thinking we’re being awakened by God to evil more and more each disaster...and it’s a BIG thing that is out of control for anyone but God.


9 posted on 05/30/2010 9:03:34 AM PDT by YouGoTexasGirl
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Oh, and I have been praying that BP find a way to quickly solve the blowout for the good people of the gulf states!


10 posted on 05/30/2010 9:09:04 AM PDT by YouGoTexasGirl
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To: Second Amendment First

As long as they can document their income (with or without tax returns) they have a legal claim....of course, so will the IRS.


11 posted on 05/30/2010 9:16:04 AM PDT by SampleMan (No one should die on a gov. waiting list., or go broke because the gov. has dictated their salary.)
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You are right on your contractor example.

I have a relative on the east coast like this. He would agree with 95% of what freeps espouse. But he hides a lot of taxes via his cash economy.

Drives me and the wife nuts as we pay the taxman while they buy a second home. Furnishings and food is all paid for with cash.


12 posted on 05/30/2010 9:16:07 AM PDT by SteveAustin
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Greece has the same approach. Unions create a group of people who work for cash, because Union workers need more time than they can get in Union Jobs. (Higher wages drive down demand, who would have thunk it!) Since they work for cash, no taxes on either the part of the contractor or the worker.

Who benefits? The Union organizers who get paid lawyer’s rates for creating this conspiracy to avoid taxes.


13 posted on 05/30/2010 9:37:23 AM PDT by donmeaker (Invicto)
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To: SteveAustin

Sounds like your relative has his own “Galt’s Gulch” thing going on.


14 posted on 05/30/2010 9:38:28 AM PDT by donmeaker (Invicto)
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the nonconformists who haven't kept records or reported their cash income.

You mean the tax cheats? Hey, if they're nonconformists they should have no problem not getting money from BP.

15 posted on 05/30/2010 9:55:05 AM PDT by McGavin999 (Illegal is not a race, it is a crime)
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Sounds like your relative has his own “Galt’s Gulch” thing going on.

Yes, except they are dealing with Federal currency. If they were bartering services and accumulating wealth that way; I would have no issue.

16 posted on 05/30/2010 10:28:57 AM PDT by Michael Barnes (Call me when the bullets start flying.)
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Hey, if they're nonconformists they should have no problem not getting money from BP.

That's it in a nutshell.

17 posted on 05/30/2010 10:29:40 AM PDT by Michael Barnes (Call me when the bullets start flying.)
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To: Second Amendment First

If BP pays legit fishermen their gross receipts according to their tax retrns, then the FISHERMEN should be able to pay ALL their subcontractors,ie; dock workers, net menders, etc. Problem solved.


18 posted on 05/30/2010 10:48:41 AM PDT by snowtigger (It ain't what you shoot, it's what you hit...)
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To: Second Amendment First

i have heard of this, the business is almost entirely cash and many apparently report very low %’s of it.


19 posted on 05/30/2010 11:15:23 AM PDT by WoofDog123
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To: SteveAustin

“You are right on your contractor example.

I have a relative on the east coast like this. He would agree with 95% of what freeps espouse. But he hides a lot of taxes via his cash economy.

Drives me and the wife nuts as we pay the taxman while they buy a second home. Furnishings and food is all paid for with cash.”

I think the object lesson is being missed. People who actually have a viable CHOICE on paying (as you describe) are far more likely to decide to not comply 100% than those who would in very short order find themselves in very unpleasant trouble if they didn’t pay. Fear is the main reason for paying, not patriotism or other abstract moral issues/religious views.


20 posted on 05/30/2010 11:22:24 AM PDT by WoofDog123
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