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To: lucysmom
Unfortunately, that argument would only apply to the original 13 states - the other 37 were created by the federal government.

Doesn't work that way. The district of Columbia is not a State for a reason. New States may be admitted by the Congress, but the Congress is nothing more than the representatives of the States.

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Finally, the states agreed to transfer certain powers to the federal government when they ratified the Constitution.

That's true, but those powers NOT enumerated cannot be exercised. It's called the rule of exclusion.

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Ask anyone familiar with patent and copyright law if control of one's creations can be transfered.

They can be legally transferred with knowledge, consent and full disclosure, yes, but we're not talking about patents of copyrights, we're talking about the Right of the People to their wages of labor.

BTW - the original definition of inalienable is nontransferable

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Tell that to the currently unemployed. You have the right to work if you can get it.

You have a right to work, but it does not come with an obligation to be hired.

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Hmm - I think I'll try that one on my adult daughter.

You may be as flippant as you like, Ma'am, but the Founders designed our country to operate under a certain set of immutable Laws that operate outside the control of Man.

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If you would be so kind, I'd appreciate your answering 2 simple questions-

Where does all legitimate authority for government come from?

Does an individual person have the legal ability to take money from another individual?

57 posted on 05/28/2010 11:52:42 AM PDT by MamaTexan (Dear GOP - "We Suck Less" is ~NOT~ a campaign platform)
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To: MamaTexan
...we're talking about the Right of the People to their wages of labor.

Actually we're talking about citizenship by birth...

Here is a view presented by the guy who literally wrote the book.

Every employee of any company involved in American commerce is also a provider of a service, and, as such, the employee incurs a tax liability as a result of his or her work. This tax liability is incorporated into what the employee charges the employer for their services, and is eventually incorporated into the final retail cost of the employer's product or service. Each employee is essentially a separate business entity providing a product, be it physical or mental labor, to the employer.

...when business and personal income and payroll taxes disappear, your employer is going to have to make a decision. He will either take some or the entire amount he had been withholding for federal income and payroll taxes and add it to your weekly check, or he will readjust your pay figures so that your entire paycheck will be equal to what you used to call "take home pay"...

http://boortz.com/nuze/200509/09152005.html

So, according to Boortz, the money your employer withholds for taxes isn't exactly YOUR wages, but is your tax burden you passed on to your employer and that your employer will pass on to his customers in the price of a good or service.

He argues that if income taxes and payroll taxes went away your employer could rightfully retain that portion of what you think is your wages for himself because you no longer have that tax burden to pass on to him - it is his money, not yours.

(I don't necessarily agree with Boortz, I certainly don't support his tax plan.) Where does all legitimate authority for government come from?

Depends on what theory you ascribe to.

Does an individual person have the legal ability to take money from another individual?

Of course individuals have the legal ability to take money from another individual. Isn't that what lawsuits are about?

58 posted on 05/31/2010 8:14:29 AM PDT by lucysmom
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