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To: MamaTexan

How does one legally become just a state citizen and not a US citizen?
Especially after having paid income tax, property tax, et cetera?
If anybody has done this SUCCESSFULLY and avoided all the entanglements (income tax, property tax, etc.) without being thrown in jail, I’d love to know how they did it.
I ran into the “sovereign citizen” movement awhile back, in ‘93 or so... they never really came out and said what actually worked.
If somebody tells me, “don’t get your kid a birth certificate” I’d like to know how ANYBODY can get by in this day & age without one (Obama excepted, he’s got his own plane lol)


43 posted on 05/27/2010 5:00:30 PM PDT by WildHighlander57 ((WildHighlander57 returning after lurking since 2000))
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To: WildHighlander57
How does one legally become just a state citizen and not a US citizen? Especially after having paid income tax, property tax, et cetera?

Good question. One would suppose a legal notice would be required, filed in the county of residence.

If anybody has done this SUCCESSFULLY and avoided all the entanglements (income tax, property tax, etc.) without being thrown in jail, I’d love to know how they did it.

Me too. I'm not saying my knowledge is perfect by any stretch of the imagination, but I've spent over a decade studying it going all the way back to when the colonies were being formed and coming forward in time to the present day and nothing I've seen makes me believe the Founders intended us to be beholden to federal, State, city and county governments COMBINED.

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If somebody tells me, “don’t get your kid a birth certificate” I’d like to know how ANYBODY can get by in this day & age without one (Obama excepted, he’s got his own plane lol)

There's the rub. Generations have gone by with Americans believing we all must obey the federal government. Tell 'em that they don't, and you're either a candidate for the funny farm or you get the 'deer in the headlights' look.

The only way not to be forced into providing your birth certificate is to work for yourself. [Although I did manage to get my twin girls through school without providing their social security number]

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Is there any California court decisions more recent than 1870 that uphold the ‘state citizen only’ concept?

Let's see. There's Alabama


"There are, then, under our republican form of government, two classes of citizens, one of the United States and one of the state".
Gardina v. Board of Registrars of Jefferson County160 Ala. 155; 48 So. 788 page 162 (1909)

And a quote from a North Carolina Supreme Court decision that was written down during the US Supreme Court's Wong Kim Ark:

State v. Manuel 20 NC 122
"... the term `citizen' in the United States, is analogous to the term `subject' in the common law; the change of phrase has resulted from the change in government."
Supreme Court Reporter Volume 18, page 462, 1897

There's some really good stuff about natural born and native born in this one too.

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Sorry, I don't see anything else California specific, but I'm always poking around in musty old books. I'll keep an eye out for more.

47 posted on 05/27/2010 6:51:00 PM PDT by MamaTexan (Dear GOP - "We Suck Less" is ~NOT~ a campaign platform)
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