Posted on 05/24/2010 8:44:47 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW
Lower? I thought you were claiming rates were zero?
This article does NOT have statistics on anything, type of shots, number of shots, ages, etc
Kinda like your claims with no statistics or numbers of any kind. Funny, huh.
Tons of info on Autism/Amish just google...
Google? For the proof you already had? Why would I need to do that?
Let me know when you find out how they measured the mercury in the kids brains. The mercury all those doctors and nurses found in your original claim. Thanks.
Did not claim zero since the Amish adopted vaccinated Chinese children. Some of the adopted children are some of the autistic in Amish communities.
They are also under pressure to get vaccinated so more are succumbing to vaccinations...and we see the relationship of Autistic rising with increased vaccination. Still the vaccination rate is lower than in the general public and so is the Autism rate. Why not research it????? Keep an open mind.
All I am saying is that it is criminal to vaccinate a healthy newborn and inject him with known harmful toxins when they have no virtual chance of coming down with Hep B. Any logical, sane person would agree. My kids never had that shot and they did not get Hep B. They don’t even know if it would give 20 years of immunity anyway...so when they “could” be exposed to Hep B, it probably won’t work.
Do the corporations make money off of having government mandate shots??? Goes against the constitution to have the government force unnecessary toxins to be injected into healthy people when they have NO IDEA of long term effects, or do they? Kids are being used as guinea pigs and you know it. (Could be a Machiavellian conspiracy...wouldn’t doubt it with people like Peter Singer and Cass Sunstein as the idols of people in power now.
Are you claiming none of the birth children have autism?
They are also under pressure to get vaccinated so more are succumbing to vaccinations...and we see the relationship of Autistic rising with increased vaccination.
We do? Maybe you have proof of this relationship? And proof that the only change is the increase in vaccination rates (which I thought you claimed were zero), not a change in definition or an increase in diagnosis (as opposed to an increase in incidence).
My kids never had that shot and they did not get Hep B.
Why do you keep changing the subject? Hep B is a new vaccine, Wakefield's lies were about MMR.
Let me know when you find that study about kids of doctors and nurses with those sky high mercury levels in their brains. I'm still curious how they test that brain tissue.
Be sure to ping me, even if you realize there was no such study.
The doctor and nurse is in the video that I sent awhile ago...Vaccine nation, I believe.
No, I am not claiming that none of the birth children have autism...I just said that Amish are getting some of their children vaccinated because of pressure from the medical community.
I just said that there are lower rates of autistic children and my hypothesis is that they get less shots (no hep B) and therefore have less of the known toxins that are injected into them which destroy neuron cells. I have already told you that Mercury poisoning has the exact same symptoms as Autism. It is quite obvious that the shots are causing autism or at least a contributing factor.
http://www.vaccinationnews.com/Scandals/Feb_15_02/comparison_symptoms.htm
http://www.yourfamilyclinic.com/ld/autism.html
A video? Not a study?
No, I am not claiming that none of the birth children have autism...
Really? You said this in post #127.
You also ignored the Amish studies. Isn't that ODD that they don't have an "Autism plus spectrum" problem unless they adopt vaccinated children.
I just said that there are lower rates of autistic children
Yeah, your claimed rate was zero.
and my hypothesis is that they get less shots (no hep B)
Did Wakefield claim hep B shots caused autism?
It is quite obvious that the shots are causing autism or at least a contributing factor.
It's especially obvious if you're being paid by a lawyer to fabricate proof. Doubly obvious if you're trying to peddle your own vaccine and have an incentive to demonize the current one.
The video is full of studies and results, you obviously didn’t bother to watch it.
My point has always been that I think children are getting way too many vaccinations at a much too early age which is causing Autism. Autism is nothing but a mercury poisoning which they had to “rename” to deflect connection to the injection of the known toxins in the vaccines.
You are trying to evade that issue... Wakefield’s hypothesis was correct, that is why he had to be marginalized and destroyed....not because his study was “fraudulent” like a lot of the studies which were fraudulent done and paid for by big pharma. Those scientists that created fraudulent studies were never ever dragged into the mud the way Wakefield has been.
Better.
Autism is nothing but a mercury poisoning
Which is why the numbers didn't drop as they removed mercury from the vaccines.
You are trying to evade that issue... Wakefield’s hypothesis was correct
If he was correct, he shouldn't have committed fraud to prove it.
Mercury increased....
It is a fact, so I KNOW there are over 3 times as many vaccinations for children than in the 70’s. I also know that as schedule of vaccinatations increased, so did Autism. Look at the graphs in the videos that document no. of vaccines and no of Autism cases. (just better reporting HA HA HA!!!!) as if people used to think children were “normal” when they had mercury poison.
Here’s a great quote for you to “think” about if you have the ability to use the mind...or maybe you have had too many flu shots:
“All truth passes through three stages: First, it is ridiculed; Second, it is violently opposed; Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.” /by a German philosopher Arthur Schopenhauer.
Now all you need is proof.
It is a fact, so I KNOW there are over 3 times as many vaccinations for children than in the 70’s. I also know that as schedule of vaccinatations increased, so did Autism.
Those were the only two changes? Vaccinations up and autism up? Every other variable remained the same? Really?
as if people used to think children were “normal” when they had mercury poison.
While you're at it, maybe show how many micrograms were in a child's vaccines in 1970, in 1990, in 2000.
“All truth passes through three stages: First, it is ridiculed
I like to ridicule frauds, like Wakefield. Speaking of big money for vaccines, how much would he have made if his vaccine was approved? Round numbers?
Second, it is violently opposed;
I violently oppose Wakefield's fraud. He's responsible for the deaths and injuries of children.
I was wondering, about your supposed studies on your videos, did they read hundreds of pages out loud or just scroll thru the pages on screen?
This wasn’t done by Wakefield:
http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/166102.php
It is all in the videos....all about how the rates of Autism did declined when they removed the mercury BUT then Big Pharma and government began a MAJOR push at giving pregnant woman and infants flu vaccinations loaded with the mercury (clever way to obscure the results of “decline” which is increasing. WHY? BECAUSE they ADDED more shots to the schedule AGAIN and ones with mercury AGAIN!).
By the way, they found out that the mercury (although it seemed like it was a “tiny” “safe” amount) in children’s vaccines, was way over the limits that the FDA had set.
My children were NEVER advised to get flu shots, so funny how all of a sudden they were advocating MORE toxins in children, even in the fetal stage (such clever, evil pharma corporations, don’t you think..at the most vulnerable time for damage.
You are ignoring the information in the videos.
I know, everyone is lying!!!!!
Do I believe the videos? Absolutely. You claim Wakefield is a fraud. Maybe. But Big Pharma is a much bigger fraud and resulted in many more thousands of deaths (see lawsuit settlements where the courts decided they were responsible for the damage)and the damage to our society because of the destruction of the brains of our future (and elder) generation. IT is a CRIME and a big cover-up. Your anger is misplaced.
You still haven’t answered about the HEP B shots: How can a sane person advocate an injection of known toxins into an healthy infant to prevent an obscure disease that is prevalent in people who indulge in promiscuous sex and injecting illicit drugs. TO A ONE DAY OLD INFANT who weighs less than 10 pounds. It is evil to inject those vulnerable babies!
Where is it in a study?
This wasn’t done by Wakefield:
"Thimerosal was removed from U.S. Hepatitis B vaccines in 2000"
You still haven’t answered about the HEP B shots: How can a sane person advocate an injection of known toxins into an healthy infant
Your own source said thimerosal was removed in 2000. What toxins are you babbling about? And did autism rates decline since 2000?
BECAUSE they ADDED more shots to the schedule AGAIN and ones with mercury AGAIN!
Which ones did they add? How much mercury do the new shots have? When you compare the few old shots to the many new shots, what is the increase in mercury?
Numbers, not your feelings about toxins. Give me some facts to back up your claims.
You claim Wakefield is a fraud.
And the journal that pulled his study. The co-authors who removed their names. The doctors who yanked his license.
I'm sure the lawyer who paid him off to fabricate evidence still likes him. And you do.
Known toxins are in every single vaccine given.....but some risks maybe are worth the benefit...
Here’s a few studies and death numbers for you caused by vaccination...like I said your outrage at Wakefield is misdirected. He is just one of many who have maybe committed fraud in the science field, but the major corporations have paid for and bought off politicians that actually have killed and maimed thousands of healthy children and destroyed numerous families because of it—all for billions of dollars.
http://www.naturodoc.com/library/bio-war/HepB.htm
(excert from article listed below)
The Baxter company has been associated with two deadly scandals. The first event occurred in 2006 when hemophiliac components were contaminated with HIV virus and injected in tens of thousands of people, including thousands of children. Baxter continued to release the HIV-contaminated vaccine even after the contamination was known. (outrage?)
Accidental release. The second event occurred recently when it was discovered that Baxter had released a seasonal flu vaccine containing the bird flu virus, which would have produced a real world pandemic, to 18 countries. Fortunately, astute lab workers in the Czech Republic discovered the deadly combination and blew the whistle before a worldwide disaster was unleashed [The IO, March, 2009].
Despite these two deadly events, WHO maintains an agreement with Baxter Pharmaceuticals to produce the world’s pandemic vaccine. (outrage?)
[Note: WHO announced that it would launch an investigation into Baxter’s “accidental” release of H5N1-contaminated flu vaccine that killed lab animals (ferrets) in the Czech Republic. No investigation has ever been conducted. ~DWH]. (outrage????wow, everyone really went after wakefield though!)
Squalene
Novartis, the second contender, also has an agreement with WHO for a pandemic vaccine. Novartis appears to have won the contract, since its vaccine is near completion. What is terrifying is that these pandemic vaccines contain ingredients, called “immune adjuvants” that a number of studies have shown cause devastating autoimmune disorders, including rheumatoid arthritis, multiple sclerosis and lupus.
Animal studies using this adjuvant have found them to be deadly. A study using 14 guinea pigs found that, when they were injected with the special adjuvant, only one animal survived. A repeat of the study found the same deadly outcome.
So, what is this deadly ingredient? It is called squalene, a type of oil. The Chiron company, maker of the deadly anthrax vaccine, makes an adjuvant called MF-59 which contains two main ingredients of concern—squalene and gp120. A number of studies have shown that squalene can trigger all of the above-mentioned autoimmune diseases when injected.
[Note: All higher organisms produce squalene. The squalene used as a vaccine adjuvant is a fish oil, particularly shark liver oil. The problem with injected squalene is that it signals the body to attack its own essential fatty acids. Combined with other vaccine ingredients, the result is autoimmunity, where the body begins attacking its own tissues. ~DWH]
The MF-59 adjuvant has been used in several vaccines. These vaccines, including tetanus and diphtheria, are the same vaccines frequently associated with adverse reactions.
Questionable studies. I reviewed a number of studies on this adjuvant and found something quite interesting. Several studies done on human test subjects found MF-59 to be a very safe immune adjuvant. But when I checked to see who did these studies, I found—to no surprise—that they were done by the Novartis Pharmaceutical Company and Chiron Pharmaceutical Company, which have merged. They were all published in “prestigious” medical journals. Also, to no surprise, a great number of studies done by independent laboratories and research institutions all found a strong link between MF-59 and autoimmune diseases. (oooo, think of granny and granddad with all those autoimmune diseases that shot up after all the “get the elderly to take flu shots so they don’t die!!!!!!!!!!!)
The above was written by Dr. Bayloch which is here
http://www.pandemicfluonline.com/?p=206
Hey, I also love Joe McCarthy —look how he was destroyed by the media and government officials all for telling the truth. ya, the truth shall set you free....???? Media NEVER lies!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Media never covers up anything. Governments are “good” and benevelent. No commie fascists in government....nooooooo (Blacklisted by History: The untold story of Senator Joe McCarthy and his fight against America’s ememies. by M. Stanton Evans
Hey, I hope you are not trusting any of the data put out by the government and corporations.....ha ha ha. You got to know you are in Wonderland and have been for the last 60 years...Be a little cynical...it will improve your health. My advise for a healthy, happy time (besides NOT getting vaccinated—ha ha).....don’t trust the propaganda put out by our Wiemar Republic nor their corporate puppet masters: (and you thought Wakefield was such a big fish in the ocean...ha, he is nothing....):
Schmidt’s Fake Carbon Accounting
The ‘Moon Paper’ spectacularly reveals that Apollo mission scientists devised a three-dimensional model for accurately determining Earth’s energy budget far more practicable than the rudimentary flat blackbody numbers of Stefan-Boltzmann. But those numbers contradicted any greenhouse warming effect and have thus been ignored by global warming tax advocates.
In addition, it appears Siddons has uncovered intentional fraud, as explained in an earlier of his online publications, ‘The Greenhouse Hustle’ that reveals the almighty multiplication ‘error’ of NASA climatologist, Gavin Schmidt. (The above posted on FR about NASA.)
You condemn Wakefield but if he PREVENTED a number of children from getting vaccinated even with a “fraudulent” study he may have saved many lives and saved the brains of thousands of infants if he made parents skeptical of getting vaccinated in some cases. Wow, maybe he is one of my heroes if he discouraged uneducated parents from using their children as guinea pigs.
“Today there are more reports of adverse reactions from the vaccine than there are reported cases of the disease in children. Data created by the government’s Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS) in 1996 confirm 872 serious adverse events in children under 14 years of age who had been injected with Hepatitis B vaccine. “ (Just one example of using children as guinea pigs for no reason.....A CRIME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!excerpt from article I sent in previous post).
LOL! Welcome to the party.
Hey, it’s some party!!!!LOL Getting scarier than hell out there with the insane in charge of all agendas.
It is scary, when so called conservatives cheer a guy responsible for the deaths and illnesses of children.
I cheer for freedom of expression and ideas with the ability to debate ideas in public forum with complete transparency.
Yah, I love the original intent of the Founding Fathers and not this obambi “shut down debate, hide facts, show only “hockey stick” studies, vilify, hide, and lie about everything that doesn’t promote our worldview, do the Joseph McCarthy to destroy anyone who dares to disagree (and, of course, we must line our pockets with billions even while we kill the children and their brains to create a total nanny state!!!!)
Founders would turn in their graves if they knew the power usurped by government and corporations all “for the health of the children” as our children have become the most neurologically damaged in the history of this nation.
What in the world do you stand for? Are you one of the despicable progressives?
What about the guy who fabricates a study and hurts (and kills) little kids because a lawyer paid him? Can we at least condemn him?
What in the world do you stand for?
Exposing liars for one.
Are you one of the despicable progressives?
LOL! Hardly.
Did you ever get the info on the mercury load in all the shots from the 70s? From the 80s? 90s? Now?
Evidence might make you seem less of an hysterical liberal dupe.
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