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To: RC one; Dr. Brian Kopp; metmom; BykrBayb; floriduh voter; Lesforlife; Sun; Dante3; narses; ...
we’re not talking about tylenol, we’re talking about keeping people alive on immensely expensive machines. Big difference.

Let's see:

First you claimed that there was a shortage of ventilators, but you were unable to cite a single instance of this being true.

Then you said it was about the terminally ill and letting them die. What does money have to do with that?

Later you opined about debating with Stephen Hawking and he actually does use some very expensive medical equipment.

Then you tried to blame it all on Christians.

The bottom line is you are defending EVERY SINGLE TALKING POINT that Zero and his ilk are using to push death panels on us.

89 posted on 05/24/2010 9:00:40 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee

Well said.


90 posted on 05/24/2010 9:01:44 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: wagglebee
First you claimed that there was a shortage of ventilators, but you were unable to cite a single instance of this being true.

it's pretty obvious that you are purposely missing the point.

Later you opined about debating with Stephen Hawking and he actually does use some very expensive medical equipment.

and I'm sure he's paying plenty out of his own pocket for all of that. I guarantee that.

Then you tried to blame it all on Christians.

No, I didn't blame anything on anyone, I just suggested that injecting religion into this debate takes waters that were already pretty murkey and makes them even more so. God isn't paying the medical bills btw.

The bottom line is you are defending EVERY SINGLE TALKING POINT that Zero and his ilk are using to push death panels on us.

the bottom line is that you can't accept death and dieing and your misguided sense of ethics and morality are the reason why we have a government take over of healthcare. answer me this, should we the tax payers be paying for all of these lifesaving services for people who can't afford them, people like... illegal aliens for example?

93 posted on 05/24/2010 9:13:45 AM PDT by RC one (WHAT!!!!)
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To: wagglebee; RC one
First you claimed that there was a shortage of ventilators, but you were unable to cite a single instance of this being true.

Ventilator shortage is warning of potential crisis

By WARREN WOLFE, Star Tribune Last update: March 14, 2008 - 9:33 AM

Last week, so many ventilators were in use in Minnesota hospital intensive care units that many hospitals rented extras and several hospitals shifted patients with respiratory problems elsewhere for care.

"Was it a crisis? No, but it got a little too close for comfort," said Dr. John Hick of Hennepin County Medical Center and medical director for an emergency-preparedness compact among the 29 metro hospitals.

131 posted on 05/24/2010 10:17:39 AM PDT by Bubba Ho-Tep ("More weight!"--Giles Corey)
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To: wagglebee
If human beings are disposable commodities, there's a giant oil leak north of here... if we are going back to the stone ages, instead of calling it mercy, maybe human sacrifices to the earth would be the correct term (sarcasm tag). The less meaning life has, the further back in time we drift as people.

Death cultists are the new neanderthals.

174 posted on 05/24/2010 5:54:20 PM PDT by floriduh voter (BALLOON BOY: "WHO THE HELL IS WOLF? ")
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