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Assisted suicide is not the answer for the terminally ill
The Oakland Press ^
| 5/21/10
| Rubel Shelly
Posted on 05/23/2010 10:11:46 AM PDT by wagglebee
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I dont care about the law, Kevorkian once said. I have never cared about anything but the welfare of the patient in front of me. What a strange claim from a pathologist who has no experience in the clinical treatment of patients! Dr. Death believes death is the only option for his "patients".
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posted on
05/23/2010 10:11:46 AM PDT
by
wagglebee
To: cgk; Coleus; cpforlife.org; narses; Salvation; 8mmMauser
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posted on
05/23/2010 10:12:24 AM PDT
by
wagglebee
("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
To: 185JHP; 230FMJ; Albion Wilde; Aleighanne; Alexander Rubin; An American In Dairyland; Antoninus; ...
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posted on
05/23/2010 10:12:57 AM PDT
by
wagglebee
("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
To: BykrBayb; floriduh voter; Lesforlife
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posted on
05/23/2010 10:13:59 AM PDT
by
wagglebee
("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
To: wagglebee; Clintonfatigued; callisto; Gapplega; jesseam; 2ndDivisionVet; rodguy911; unkus; ...
Obama, Pelosi, Reid, the Regime, and the rest of this Congress apparently believe in assisting death for as many as they can legally get by with via their Death Panels. Read the bill, now that it has been crammed down America’s throat, per Pelosi’s statement. Genocide of the Elderly facilitated and brought to you by this Congress??? Sinister, power-hungry Ghouls, would you say hell yes?? The fewer Social security recipients the better for this Regime??? You answer the question for yourselves.
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posted on
05/23/2010 10:22:16 AM PDT
by
ExTexasRedhead
(Clean the RAT/RINO Sewer in 2010 and 2012)
To: wagglebee
Well, if I was in that position, I would do things myself, but having another to help does seem wrong...
This is a moral and terminal issue. Not sure where it belongs, but it really should not be up to outside help.
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posted on
05/23/2010 10:23:16 AM PDT
by
Deagle
To: All
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posted on
05/23/2010 10:32:46 AM PDT
by
wagglebee
("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
To: wagglebee
I used to think that I was pro-Life, but I’m beginning to favor assisted suicide for politicians.
To: paterfamilias
Heh...well, at least you have the right priorities!
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posted on
05/23/2010 10:43:00 AM PDT
by
Deagle
To: wagglebee
You have two patients, one of them is a 39 year old man with severe multiple sclerosis, contractures to all extremities, a stage 4 ulcer to the sacrum, diabetes, chronic renal failure with hemodialysis 3 times/week, and respiratory failure secondary to aspiration pneumonia which is a frequent occurrence for this individual due to his inability to safely swallow anything which has necessitated placing a tube in his stomach to deliver liquid nutrition. He needs a ventilator for his respiratory failure or he will die. This individual is, at most, capable of being dragged out of his bed by healthcare personnel and placed in a chair for a couple of hours at a time. Nature would have taken this poor soul years ago had nature been allowed to do so. his healthcare costs are covered by taxpayers.
in the bed next to him is a 39 year old woman who suffered a case of sepsis which ultimately resulted in acute renal failure such that she requires dialysis 3 times/ week. She has contracted pneumonia while in the hospital and is in acute respiratory failure. She too needs a ventilator machine or she will die. She works at a local drug store and her treatment is paid for by her private health insurance.
there's only one ventilator. Both patients need it immediately. which patient gets it?
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posted on
05/23/2010 10:53:48 AM PDT
by
RC one
(WHAT!!!!)
To: RC one; BykrBayb; floriduh voter; Lesforlife; Sun; Dante3; narses; Coleus; MHGinTN; tutstar; ...
You have two patients, one of them is a 39 year old man with severe multiple sclerosis, contractures to all extremities, a stage 4 ulcer to the sacrum, diabetes, chronic renal failure with hemodialysis 3 times/week, and respiratory failure secondary to aspiration pneumonia which is a frequent occurrence for this individual due to his inability to safely swallow anything which has necessitated placing a tube in his stomach to deliver liquid nutrition. He needs a ventilator for his respiratory failure or he will die. This individual is, at most, capable of being dragged out of his bed by healthcare personnel and placed in a chair for a couple of hours at a time. Nature would have taken this poor soul years ago had nature been allowed to do so. his healthcare costs are covered by taxpayers. in the bed next to him is a 39 year old woman who suffered a case of sepsis which ultimately resulted in acute renal failure such that she requires dialysis 3 times/ week. She has contracted pneumonia while in the hospital and is in acute respiratory failure. She too needs a ventilator machine or she will die. She works at a local drug store and her treatment is paid for by her private health insurance.
there's only one ventilator. Both patients need it immediately. which patient gets it?
Can you actually cite an instance in which a hospital has run out of ventilators or are you just agreeing with Zero's death panel agenda?
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posted on
05/23/2010 10:58:42 AM PDT
by
wagglebee
("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
To: RC one
I need more info to answer your question. Which patient are you?
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posted on
05/23/2010 11:02:32 AM PDT
by
BykrBayb
(Somewhere, my flower is there. ~ Þ)
To: wagglebee
Just get Che to shoot them.
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posted on
05/23/2010 11:03:38 AM PDT
by
Paladin2
To: RC one
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posted on
05/23/2010 11:04:41 AM PDT
by
Paladin2
To: BykrBayb
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posted on
05/23/2010 11:08:45 AM PDT
by
wagglebee
("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
To: wagglebee
While the hospital may not run out of ventilators, they may have run out of ICU beds. The nurses on the regular floor where they are at are not trained to care for a vented patient.
If they are in the ER, and they are both vieing for the same ICU bed, keep in mind the ER is not the optimal place for such a high acuity patient.
This happens more often than not, trust me I know. If people knew how our hospitals were daily walking a tightrope of keeping people alive they would be outraged.
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posted on
05/23/2010 11:14:00 AM PDT
by
gracie1
(visualize whirled peas)
To: RC one
which patient gets it? Is one of them a democrat?
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posted on
05/23/2010 11:14:13 AM PDT
by
Semper911
(When you want to rob Peter to pay Paul, you'll always have the support of Paul.)
To: gracie1
I don’t dispute anything you’ve said, but death panels are not the solution.
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posted on
05/23/2010 11:16:29 AM PDT
by
wagglebee
("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
To: RC one
there's only one ventilator. Both patients need it immediately. which patient gets it?
Sounds like "Lifeboat" to me.
Watch:
Steve Taylor, Lifeboat
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posted on
05/23/2010 11:22:20 AM PDT
by
HighlyOpinionated
(SPEAK UP REPUBLICANS, WE CAN'T HEAR YOU YET! IMPEACH OBAMA!)
To: wagglebee
Who said I supported death panels? But what do you should be the alternative? We already have ethics committees to help clarify issues of treatment, prognosis, placement, etc, that involve everyone from social workers, chaplains, nursing, and medical. In the end, it is still the family’s decision, although there is no obligation to provide futile treatment.
The elephant in the room is cost. If you insist on keeping a family member alive with expensive technology, despite the fact there will be a poor outcome, who should pay for it? That is the $64,000,000,000 question no one wants to touch.
In CA our hospitals are preparing for drastic cuts in reimbursement for the coming fiscal year. There are cuts across the boards going on. It will affect everyone.
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posted on
05/23/2010 11:30:20 AM PDT
by
gracie1
(visualize whirled peas)
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